ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

[Eric the Green]

(03-22-2017, 10:34 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(03-21-2017, 12:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm glad for the civil conversation, which I don't always see from you kinser (especially with me).

You typically are not up to having a civil conversation with anyone Eric, not even other idealists. Hence why have little patience for you.

I rarely suffer fools and almost never gladly. Bob is of course a different creature.

Back atcha, word for word. But I hope and pray for redemption for you, and I'm glad at least to see a civil conversation between you and Bob.

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Quote:The "tides" idea seems to fail, for the simple reason that in the long run we have not reverted back to the age of hunter-gatherers, or agriculture, and probably not back to industrial either. The arrow seems more like what has happened than a pendulum, except during the last 33 years. If we reverted back to hunter-gatherer status soon, that would be unprecedented.

Strange I distinctly recall S&H using the very same analogy. As for reversion to a less advanced state of development I take it you've never heard of the Maya. States rise and fall, kings and kingdoms come and go but whole peoples rarely disappear without being subsumed.

Of course, I wrote a whole book covering the rise and fall of states (and their cycles), including the Maya, but that does not cover the 4 ages Bob mentioned, or the more detailed version of those ages covered by spiral dynamics and planetary dynamics.

I don't recall S&H using the idea of tides. But I don't know to what extent their vision of history is progressive. It may not be. What is clear is that in the anglo-american cycle, we have come through cycles better off through increasing liberation and progressive development, despite challenges that at the time seemed possibly-insurmountable.