ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

[Eric the Green]

(03-24-2017, 02:24 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(03-24-2017, 02:03 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-24-2017, 01:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(03-24-2017, 06:52 AM)Odin Wrote:

(03-24-2017, 03:07 AM)Galen Wrote: It appears that the Freedom Caucus has a good chance of sinking Obamacare lite, or as I like to think of it Ryancare.  It looks like after eight years of falling on their sword for Boehner they have decided not to with Ryan.  I so much like Rand Paul better now that he is not running for president.

It's fun seeing the GOP fuck themselves over with their own infighting, it will be so ironic that it is the Tea Party wackos who end up saving the ACA. Your side had 7 years, SEVEN YEARS, to come up with a decent alternative plan and work out a compromise between the different factions in your party, but nope.

The GOP is the dog that caught the mail truck, and now the truck has run over the dog.

It's even funner knowing that the Obamacare is going to eventually collapse which is going to screw blue voters (a failure which will result in the loss of healthcare coverage for those who are currently covered by Obamacare ) like yourself worse than those who already have healthcare.

Obamacare is collapsing in the red states that don't accept medicaid support, which is fine because red states don't support Obamacare anyway. In states like CA that do, Obamacare will probably still work, unless Republicans find another way to cut the rug out from under it.

But it could collapse, which it would not have, if Hillary and the Democrats had won, because then we might have had some real adjustments and reforms to make it work. Republicans, of course, don't want that; they want a "free enterprise" version. But what they have cobbled together doesn't go far enough in the direction of "freedom," which kinser described here. So all Republicans can't agree on just how to repeal and "replace" Obamacare.

The real answer, a single payer approach, is on the horizon if people finally get fed up with these half-assed approaches that mollify the insurance industry, which is an unnecessary middleman that drives the cost and lack of coverage which has caused our healthcare system to fail, and thus led to the recent and current attempts to reform it.

Obamacare is collapsing in my state too. It's probably collapsing in your state as well. I dunno, maybe going backwards is actually better for the Democrats associated with blue America considering how they appear to be unable to keep up with red America.

Well, vice versa on that of course. The red states generally are behind blue states in every conceivable way. But it remains to be seen whether Obamacare will collapse in blue states. Since the law is still in effect, it will still protect Americans from some insurance industry abuses. But with Trump in power, the mandate is not being enforced, and the law in general may not be fully enforced on the federal level. So it could collapse. On the other hand, our CA exchange, called "covered california," is still advertising and apparently doing OK. I could see a possible proliferation of lawsuits by patient representatives if the Trump folks do not enforce the law's provisions. Of course, Trump himself had said he is not opposed to some of Obamacare's provisions, so he might enforce them.

I could see how hard-line conservatives who opposed Ryancare could find hope in a collapse of Obamacare due to lack of enforcement by Trump and rising premiums, with insurance companies continuing to pull out,especially in many red and purple states. It could be to a large extent a reversion to the failed free enterprise status quo that prevailed before Obamacare. But Obamacare was a Republican plan to begin with, asked for by business as well as by patients and doctors. The status quo reversion, if it happens, might not be too popular.

He might have better luck with his tax cut. We'll see.