03-25-2017, 02:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-25-2017, 02:54 PM by Eric the Green.)
(03-25-2017, 01:54 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Bob,HA
I would have a hard time calling myself a partisan. I'm beholden to neither the Dim-ocrats nor the Repugnicans. By and large I find the establishments of both Parties to be awful. Eric on the other hand is very partisan--probably for the Greens or some other type of nonsense. Seriously if you listen to the guy long enough you come to determine that if he indeed does have a political ideology at all, he's a watermelon.
The Tea Party/Trump faction is coming to dominate the Party. Indeed Ryan had to pull his Obamacare Light bill because he simply didn't have the votes to get it out of the House (never mind the fact that it was DOA in the Senate). As for bending the party to the intuative style of Trump I'm not sure that is required. What is required a rebranding of the GOP as the party of Classical Liberalism, General Social Conservatism, and economic liberty. Those three vectors are of prime importance to Xers and Zeds. Millies may still orbit a bit around the Dims but that remains to be seen.
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classical liberalism = "economic liberty" So that's only two, and the Repugs already own them. To their great discredit.
And adaptive generations just conform to civics in youth, so don't expect much backing for your 3T program from them.
You are a fake partisan who likes fake news.
Quote:Essentially taking those positions leaves the Dims the dullards, the reactionaries, the NeoLiberals and the NeoCons. In short they are and will be the losers for the next saeculum.
Neo-liberals = classical liberals = "economic liberty" = all your Repugnicans LOSERS. NeoCons, that's your militarists; on your side too. The reactionaries; that's you guys-- the worst reactionaries ever. So that leaves us Dimwits with everyone you disagree with, which for that reason you call. "dullards." EPIC FAIL AGAIN, Kinsertroll.
Quote:As to Clinton--I think her presidency would have been a disaster, and that's assuming she would have made it to 2020 (as I posted previously I'm not convinced she's in good health). Indeed when everyone recognizes that part of the problem is the Washington Establishment running someone who is the very definition of that establishment indicates that the party in question is out of ideas.
You kiddin'? She goes for walks in the woods! That'll keep her goin!
Quote:As to tribes: The largest possible tribe to date is in fact the nation which can have millions of individuals. That being said the average individual only really cares about 20-30 other individuals tops.
As to threats, yes I would say an existential threat is required for a civic generation to become a hero generation. That's about all I'll say about threats in general. The new economic formulation and climate change though are slow moving threats and unlikely to inspire much passion apart from a few Prophet Gen wackos.
Humans still have a relatively primitive brain structure and as such we're still going to have to contend with flight or fight responses--economic change and climate change simply don't trigger that mechanism.
How about "they're comin' to take away ma GUNS!!!" That'll get you guys goin, when gun control passes in the 2020s!
The one thing you reactionaries fear the most is emasculation!
Quote:As to Obamacare 2.0 since you brought it up. As I said previously Ryan didn't have the votes. Had he brought the bill to the floor it would have died and likely resulted in a push for a vote of no confidence. The fact of the matter is he can't control the house as it stands and he probably should be replaced soon. If he brings a clean repeal to the floor it would pass and be signed within a week.
Ryan is part of the GOP establishment so expect there to be a lot of noise and fuss about the bill. Don't expect much to be done about it. If he wants to save his speakership he should move on to other issues.
He will move on, but what I hear is that not only is he still respected by his fellow reactionaries, it's also the case that no-one would be foolish enough to take on his job. Even HE knew going in that it was not going to be any picnic. Imagine trying to direct or organize THAT group of roughneck, redneck, mean, ignorant goons!
Quote:As for Obamacare itself, it will collapse under its own weight anyway. The problem is getting the Dims to own that collapse.
That WILL likely be a problem, since Drump and the GOPFERS own their defeat now. They spent 7 years wailing against a reasonably good alternative to the horrible free-enterprise status quo that you favor, and spent 0 seconds of all that time figuring out a replacement. So they come up with this last-minute scam that nobody likes, and everybody bails. The Repugs just proved how stupid they are. Fortunately for our side, that stupidity is always liable to rear its head. The Democrats should take the "blame" that Trump assigns to them for this victory over Trump/Ryancare, because it's a great victory for the people.