America is a sick society

[Eric the Green]

(08-06-2017, 08:45 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-06-2017, 08:29 PM)e a rebound to hegemon status, butEric the Green Wrote:

(08-06-2017, 08:19 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(08-03-2017, 11:30 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I don't see that the USA can survive as a leading democratic country and economy if another entire saeculum must take place before it changes course. The forces of decline will prevail in that case. The momentum will not be stoppable. The backlash will have been robbed of any awareness or power to stop it, and the result of the overextension will be collapse pure and simple, augmented by climate collapse on a massive scale. A large middle class is usually necessary for a revolution to be successful, unless it's a temporary one soon taken over again by the new boss, same as the old boss.

The US has a unique situation that makes a rebound possible for us that might not be for others.  First, we are very large, both in land mas and population.  Size matters.  Second, we have a wealth of natural resources to draw on.  Third, we have friendly neighbors, and one is physically as large as the US with even greater natural assets.

So, we can and most likely will recover, if it comes to that.

Why would you assume that a recovery is possible later after a massive breakdown of civil society, the middle class, education/media and democracy, but no recovery is possible sooner, before these collapses fully set in?

I don't see a rebound to hegemon status, but we will be the singular power in the western hemisphere, mostly by default.

Yes, possibly. What is now the USA may be able to fend off enemies for a while because of its location and size, etc. But will it be possible for a new prophet generation, or a new civic generation, to arise and recover their idealism and courage to speak up, in a society being produced by the people now taking over our country, who leave us in the mess we're in, with no resolution in this 4T? And even if there are some young people like that, will they be able to succeed in a society in which ignorance, greed and superstition have been so firmly planted among the majority of people? Assuming our rulers are not stopped and outvoted before they can accomplish their current aim to create such a society? Can true prophet generations arise in a society whose 4T has just failed? The first failure in Anglo-American history? A rebounding country of this type, is not worth living in or hoping for. And its economy cannot succeed either, except for only a small number of its people. They may have resources, but since they will not be distributed to the people, the economy will fail anyway too. And the climate will have been destroyed beyond repair too, don't forget that. There will be no idealists, because only survival will be on peoples' minds. They will all be nomads, all generations; without any redeeming features of nomads either. The cycle will end, and so will our country. In my estimation.

The alternative is for us to recover our faith in our own generations, to do what all previous anglo-american generations have done: rise to the occasion, and make this 4T successful. We must throw the bastards out and reclaim our country from the reactionaries. They must become the permanent minority, instead of a minority that can take power (and has taken power) in the rigged system we have today.