No more Millennial children

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(01-06-2018, 11:32 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(01-01-2018, 01:42 AM)Craig Wrote: On December 31, 2017, the last Millennials turned 13.

No more Millennials are children. My generation are all teens, twentysomethings and thirtysomethings now!

This would make a 35 year generation if one uses the S&H date of 1982 for the start of the Millies.  I personally use 1984 as the cut off date with 1978-1983 being cusp years.  That is based on my personal observations.  I'm a 1979 co-hort and am strongly nomadic with some civic characteristics.  My husband is 1982 and is closer to 50/50 while my sister is 1984 and almost totally civic with some nomad characteristics.

I'm not so sure that the generational boundaries are so fixed as Howe and Strauss put them until the Crisis defines them. The generational boundary between the GI and the Silent  Generations was not established until World War II. People born in 1924 could get some glory out of World War II; those born in 1925 rarely could. Had WWII dragged on a couple years longer, then the line might have been between 1926 and 1927. There was no sharp change in child-raising techniques that distinguished the GI from the Silent during the 1930s. Likewise the boundary between the Lost (until 1900) and the GI (1901 on) reflects that if the response of the Lost was 'back to normal, at least as they knew it', that of the GI Generation was to make the most of the change. It was possible for a high-profile GI figure (the elder Bush) to have a GI parent who was not a teenage mother (teenage mothers are usually weak or suspect influences upon their children).

We are in a Crisis even if we manage to avoid an apocalyptic war.

Quote:Also my son who was born in 1999 insists he isn't a Millie.  I would argue that even on the outside chance that he was the last Millie was born sometime around 31 December 2004 or 2005 (at the latest).  My much younger niece and nephew are completely different yet again.

We have yet to see the first of the Homeland generation (most likely pop musicians, child stars, and athletes) establish any semblance of a character -- yet. We don't see a change in voting patterns so far as was clear in 1980 (when the youngest of all voters, the first Generation X voters, strongly supported Ronald Reagan and his rightward trend to the surprise of those with the conventional wisdom of the time).

In November the youngest voters will still be born in 2000; voters in the 2020 Presidential election will include people born as late as 2002. We will also start seeing superstar athletes making major-league baseball and hockey teams this year. But so far even the absence of an obvious break between the Millennial and Homeland youth may reflect that the Silent followed the GI lead in patterns of life even if they could not quite experience the empowerment that GI adults knew.

But note well -- this Crisis must end well for anything analogous to the last one.

As such I typically break down the turnings with the current 4T starting around 2006.

Quote:As such Boomers would remember JFK assassination but not VJ Day;
Xers would remember Challenger but not JFK;
Millies would remember Katrina/Crash of '08 but not Challenger;
Zeds would likely not remember the Crash of 08 except for the oldest but would remember the end of the 4T.

...and GIs could remember the tail end of the 1920s (a slum of a decade) including the Great Stock Market Crash, and the Silent couldn't. X would remember when the Soviet Union was a menace, and Millennial kids would have never known that.

There is also the technology of entertainment and travel: the Lost would remember when horse-and-buggy travel. The Silent would know a time without television, and Boomers rarely would have been free of television. Boomers can remember when cable TV was simply a way to get TV signals from 80 miles away in isolated rural areas instead of unwatchable static; X kids would see cable TV as a way to get HBO or ESPN (and MTV).

But heck, I am 62. I was born closer to the horse-and-buggy era than to the legalization of same-sex marriage. How long ago was that? Johannes Brahms and Giuseppe Verdi were still alive, and Victoria was Her Britannic Majesty... and "red" on a map meant "British rule or influence". I may be an influence upon kids who will be approaching the ends of their careers in the 2070s or 2080s. Maybe those kids will grow old in an era in which cancer and prion diseases are things of the past.

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(01-01-2018, 02:23 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: We don't know yet when the crisis war will happen, so we don't know yet when the dividing line was between Millennials who will fight in it and postMillenials who will be too young.

I know Xenakis (or whatever his name is) claims there is ALWAYS a crisis war but history does not bear this out.  The Glorious Revolution of 1688 was called Glorious because of the lack of bloodshed.  That being said a war during a 4T is more likely to occur, and such wars are typically total wars.  That being said wars are not limited to 4Ts as the US has been involved in a war of some sort or the other every turning since its founding.  Other powerful countries tend to have a similar history.  The relative passivity of Europe is a recent phenomenon.

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There will be wars and rumors of wars -- and the Crisis might this time be great reorganizations of the world to prevent an apocalyptic war. People will be scared -- and in view of North Korean nukes, we are all more scared of those than we are of British, French, Pakistani, Indian, Russian, and Chinese nukes -- or for that matter, our own. Xenakis believes that the world operates on a materialistic clockwork that overpowers human wishes and abilities. Of course I would like to disagree with him on that. But I used to believe that we Americans were too wise and decent to vote for an amoral demagogue for President and give him an obedient Congress.