02-05-2018, 12:39 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-05-2018, 01:25 PM by Eric the Green.)
(02-04-2018, 12:25 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(02-03-2018, 08:35 AM)Bob Butler 5 Wrote: I believe, for example, that global warming and the need to acknowledge the post scarcity way of business are very much real. We are going to see a lot of what is considered holy writ thrown away. It is not clear that the 2nd can be thrown in the bucket of certainty. Every time the statistics are thrown around, you fail for good reason to carry your point.
Not really. The difference between developed countries with strict gun laws and the USA is profound; murder and suicide rates are much higher in the USA
The difference between states on murder rates and gun laws is affected by many factors. The data on 2016 murder rates, gun laws, and the general approach to life represented by red and blue states as of 2016, is as follows:
17 states with highest murder rates: average murder rate rank 9. Average lax gun law rank: 19.5. 11 red states, 4 purple states, 2 blue states.
17 states in the middle: average murder rate rank: 26. Average lax gun law rank: 25.3. 7 red states, 6 purple states, 4 blue states
16 states with lowest murder rates: average murder rate rank: 42.5. Average lax gun law rank: 32.1. 5 red states, 2 purple states, 9 blue states.
So there's a trend of higher murder rates in states with lax gun laws, as well as a trend of higher murder rates in red states.
Suicide rate data is much clearer, showing states with lax gun laws have higher suicide rates.
Murder rate data from https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rate...tate#MRord
lax gun law rankings from http://www.crimadvisor.com/data/Brady-St...d-2014.pdf (see 50 state rankings)
red and blue states are my estimate, including some blue states that went purple as of 2016.
It's interesting too that in the group of 16 states with the lowest murder rates and the strictest gun laws, red and blue states were even in those states ranked 35 to 42 in murder rates, while in the states ranked 43 to 50 in murder there was only one red state (ND), 5 blue states and the 2 purple states, both of which (IA and NH) trend blueish.
All 5 red states among the 16 states ranked lowest in murder were northern western states (SD ranked 35, ID ranked 36, Neb. ranked 40, Utah ranked 42 and ND ranked 47). The states ranked #30 to 33 in murder are also in this group (KS, CO, MT, WY).
The 2 blue states among the 17 states with the highest murder rates were Illinois and Maryland. Illinois has had a spike in murder rates lately (in Chicago).
The state with the strictest gun laws, California (now ranked #26 in murder), has seen a big drop in murder rates since the 1990s. It has been cut almost in half. New York (now ranked #34 in murder) has seen it's murder rate cut by much more than a half. It it now the 5th-strictest gun law state in the nation.
Murder rates have gone up nationally in 2015 and 2016. I suspect it's because of the trend toward open carry and other permissive gun laws passed recently in many states. The conflict between the police and black people has also contributed to this small spike in some cities like Baltimore and St. Louis. Missouri was ranked 2nd in murder in 2016, and Maryland 4th, somewhat higher than usual in both states.