Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Eric the Green]

(03-21-2018, 04:52 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(03-21-2018, 02:59 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-20-2018, 04:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(03-19-2018, 12:16 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(03-18-2018, 02:48 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It only takes one or two accurate shots to kill or severely injure a shooter like Mateen. Your view represents the view of a person who has never shot a gun, who has never hit a target with a round, who most likely has never handled a gun, who is not very familiar with them, who does not feel comfortable with them, who is most likely afraid of guns and afraid of people who have/own guns and so forth. You seem like you'd be more interested in saving yourself than saving others if you were placed in a similar situation based on the post.

Out of basic curiosity, have you ever been in a situation where an active shooter is both present and a threat?  If so, how did you react?  If not, how can you know how you would have reacted?

Nope. I haven't been in a situation like that yet. I can only tell you this. I've been in other dangerous situations including facing certain death. Like I said, you don't know shit about me. You don't know my strengths and my over all capabilities. You don't know my natural instincts or my feelings or the beliefs that would come into play during a situation like that one. What would you do if you were on the same situation with a firearm? Would you use it for defense without thinking twice or would you waste valuable time fucking around and mulling over the  con's and talking yourself out of using it for defense?

The point I was making is simple.  Responding to a life-threatening asymmetrical threat the first time is an unknown for everyone.  99% of all such threats are first time events, so the only alternative to winging it is training.  Now training to overcome the adrenaline rush while responding, and an active shooter response requires both precision and speed, is exactly the training that the military offers: long term and relentless.  Law enforcement tends to grab the already trained ex-military types for SWAT for that very reason.

So no; I don't know how you would react.  Neither do you.  FWIW, the same applies to me.

The point that I've been making is the shooter wasn't/most likely isn't a highly trained professional (upper 1%) either. The shooter, like most unprofessional shooters, would most likely be in the same percentage (the so-called 99%) as us (you and me) and would be susceptible to pain, fear, surprise and so on just like everyone else who hasn't been involved in a shootout with others or a situation where someone is shooting at them.

One difference is that, unlike you, the shooter has no desire to continue living, and thus, no fear.