Countdown to a Free America

[Eric the Green]

(04-22-2018, 12:28 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(04-22-2018, 12:25 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(04-21-2018, 05:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(04-20-2018, 07:44 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(04-20-2018, 06:50 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Not sure which words are yours from this post, Rags, but first of all, the information I was offering or suggestions asked for were about presidential candidates and the horoscope scores, silly boy!

I think that's much better about Hillary (spelled correctly  )  The remark in the video, though, was just hyperbole on her part, and maybe some misplaced humor. She didn't conquer anything. Her and Obama's policy protected endangered civilians, and helped several powers facilitate the ongoing revolt by the Libyans against their dictator. That was not bad stuff. It didn't turn out too well, yet, but that's really on the Libyans, and it's there job to replace the dictator with a workable society. They didn't want Hillary's help in that, so she and Obama came, and saw-- and went.

I think your intuition about her was widely shared, and that is one reason she lost. She doesn't admit this, but the horoscope gives us an objective account and a score that reveals it.

I snipped out the stuff that just gets in the way.  First, on the information  you were offering, I can see the confusion.

I was referring to some post long time ago you had about doing folks' horoscopes. I asked if you'd do mine for free. You said no. So, I mixed that stuff in and added it to the information you offered in the most recent post. The confusion lies in which information Eric has specifically.   So... we just differ on "information you were offering or suggestions for..."

I assume you're all clear now. And I assume that neither you nor Classic Xer plan to run for president. Cynic Hero, I dunno; maybe he thinks he can.

Quote:As for Libya. OK, that's just a difference of opinion. The best phrase I can come up with is "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." I can also think of other reasons to get involved there. Qaddafi announced a gold dinar currency for N Africa which messed with the US need for having the world reserve currency. Libya also has a perennial favorite, oil. I also never heard anything about what regime we'd try to put up.  Honestly, I'm very cynical about this "protect civilians", some country needs democracy, and "national security interest".  Like WTF does "national security interest" really mean? I suppose we just disagree on military interventions which is fine. I just think it's stupid and arrogant that the US goes around trashing other countries while our own country has neglected places and people. Hypocrisy sucks, man.

I agree, and I think oil played a role in the decision to get involved in protecting Libyan citizens (which became helping them win their Revolution against Qaddafi), and NOT protecting Syrian citizens or helping them in THEIR Revolution against Assad. I have no info whether currency played a role in their decision or not, so I won't speculate, beyond the likelihood that oil played a role.

I do think that we are citizens of the world, and lawful nations (even if not always lawful) that respect human rights (even a little bit) have a role to play together to stop genocidal mass murder, preferably through the UN if possible. Staying out of others' business is usually a fine idea, but there are limits to most fine ideas. So there we probably do disagree.

Lots of folks make the good point that the USA should not go to war in Syria, but in order to support that point, many invent theories such as the Syrian Revolution is just Al Qaeda terrorists, or just Sunnis against Alowites, or even just the USA's war, and even deny that Assad has killed and tortured and exiled hundreds of thousands of folks. We may not agree with a USA invasion of Syria, or even with lobbing a few missiles against Syrian war facilities, and think that what's happening there is none of our f**king business, but that's no reason simply to deny the horrible facts of what Assad has done. We have to face up to the consequences of our decision and our isolationism, whatever they might be, and whether or not we know if getting involved would have improved things at all or not.

As for the horoscope thing. Folks get curious.  There's apps for what kind of dog you are, what country you are, etc.
Why not make your horoscope thing an app and make money.  I've seen far worse than horoscope stuff wrt apps.
Come to think of it, I might make an app for "what kind of trashcan are you?" in honor of Oscar the Grouch.

Wrt Libya it's a failed state now featuring a nice slave trade and let's face it, the folks living there have a horrible standard of living compared with when Qaddafi was in charge. So, IMHO they ended up with a situation far worse than before. It's the same story in Iraq. That's why assorted terror groups are there.  Terror groups love power vacuums. I also advocate for isolationism due to a shitpot of problems here in the US. It's time to come home and take care of our own folks. The US needs to redirect empire money for social programs like single payer, fund Social security, start working on infrastructure, etc. It's disgusting that the MSM has totally ignored a [url="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/01/un-extreme-poverty-america-special-rapporteur"] UN investigation on the US. [/utl]  These useful idiots for the top 1% are nowhere to be found when someone points out what a shithole country we have ourselves. I don't agree with Trump on too many things, but the MSM is completely useless. I don't even pay attention to them anymore, they're a waste of time.

Wrt, war crimes... OK how about some of our allies? Let's apply the same rules to lets say Israel and how it treats the Palestinians and Saudi Arabia's horrible war in Yemen?  Let's go bomb the fuck out of Tel Aviv and Riyadh. After all, the US is the shining city on the hilll and is all moral and stuff. We're number one and let's go prove it by applying the same rules to everyone, regardless. /sarc

To get real, let's contemplate what climate change cojoined with population overshoot. [I mean really, humans are just so dumb.  Humans are no smarter than bacteria in a petri dish.]  Humans are going to suffer the same fate as bacteria in a petri dish.  There's no more room or resources and I envision 100's of millions to billions are gonna die from the usual 4 horsemen, which are saddling up and are fixing to ride often and hard.  It's the same as always.   Today, the Middle East sandbox, tomorrow,  world wide. The US has a date with destiny like everyone else. The "liberal world order"'s gonna collapse from the upcoming shit storm which is lurking just off the horizon.

Remember the Population Bomb book? I do, and it's gonna happen before go.  Oh... yeah, there's a poem I stashed not long ago, I'll stop before getting redundant.

I don't even have a cell/smart phone yet, so I don't know how to make apps. I'm still low tech and hoping to publish a book with this in it someday. If I get over my depression over how hard it is to deal with some people....

The stories of Iraq and Syria are in no way the same. We need to say things accurately and be fact based if we want to end wars. Libya had a revolution undergone by their own people, and Western powers stepped in to protect them. Iraq was invaded by a renegade Western power (The Bush White House) in order to further an agenda for a New American Century. The results may have been bad in both cases, provided room for terrorists (far more in Iraq), and Libya may be worse off than before. But let's start from a foundation of facts. I agree about spending our tax money here at home; we boomers said that back in the day. Blanket statements about the MSM, like most blanket statements, have a grain of truth, but many exceptions. But I know it's easier just to condemn them all, but I enjoy getting some news, and they do have some news to provide. As long as I have other non-MSM sources too; the more different sources the better.

Yes, Israel is thuggish too; no question. Not anywhere near on the scale of Assad, but still, what they are doing now is horrible, and so is supporting the Yemen civil war. I wouldn't mind if somehow Netanyahu were overthrown too in a Revolution, and The West supported the rebels. At least they have an election process, however, unlike Syria and Libya, which I wish they would wise up and use properly. Hey, that reminds me of what another country needs to do nowadays.....

PBS had an excellent program on Nova about climate change this week..... and they ended by saying that the greatest variable in predicting the future of climate change, is us. We humans. And our politics.