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America is a sick society
"Panarchy. No system can be understood or managed by focusing on it at a single scale. All systems (and SESs especially) exist and function at multiple scales of space, time and social organization, and the interactions across scales are fundamentally important in determining the dynamics of the system at any particular focal scale."

Sounds like the wholism I was discussing with Bill the Piper. Yes, I'm a green and I like resilience. As above, so below Smile

Maybe Kaplan has a blind spot, as conventional globalists tend to have. Maybe he just didn't mention free trade and all the exported jobs. His tour sure is revealing, but what does it reveal? Can the small towns hope for the return of the old jobs? How can they connect with the world? Maybe through resilience? Free trade did have a bad effect on the heartland's old towns. Of course, before Trump, they voted for that free trade too, along with the rest of neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism, over and over again, and would again too probably.

He's right ultimately when he says "all I could think about is, how to bridge the divide is, we can't go backward, we can only go forward, because the only future is global." And it's going to be hard to bring down the corporations from their perch enough so that the people aren't screwed by going global. Corporate globalism is the problem. It's going to take a much more skillful regime in the USA than we have had yet to fix it. It seems unlikely. Maybe these towns will just have to close up, and the people move to globalized places where they can benefit from the new economy.

That would be hard too without the social and regulatory support which they have voted against all this time and have been destroying all these decades in the name of self-reliance and fundie religion. Maybe the younger ones can move away or bring the world home, and maybe get on-line and learn the skills which the globalized blue-state companies want to hire. Meanwhile, as living standards rise around the globe, exporting jobs will become less attractive to US-based corporations in coming decades.

Immigration is the wrong target, as I keep telling you. Poor immigrant workers are not doing the jobs that the people in the small towns want to come back. Trump wants to bring in the elite workers who take American jobs instead. He just wants to keep out the people of the non-white races from shithole countries he doesn't like. And the heartland has voted to keep them out all these years too, and voted to blame the other races for the poverty which the neo-liberals and their dog-whistling politicians have imposed upon them.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-15-2016, 04:29 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Anthony '58 - 12-16-2016, 10:30 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-16-2016, 08:29 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 12-16-2016, 11:41 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-16-2016, 08:33 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-16-2016, 08:26 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Odin - 12-17-2016, 10:28 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 12-17-2016, 12:26 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by tg63 - 12-19-2016, 10:51 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 12-19-2016, 01:23 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-19-2016, 03:42 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Odin - 12-20-2016, 08:14 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-19-2016, 03:39 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by tg63 - 12-19-2016, 03:54 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-20-2016, 11:51 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-20-2016, 01:30 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-20-2016, 02:12 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-20-2016, 05:21 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by tg63 - 12-20-2016, 02:42 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-20-2016, 02:48 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-20-2016, 03:05 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-20-2016, 03:51 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-20-2016, 05:29 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-21-2016, 12:28 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by tg63 - 12-21-2016, 08:57 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by The Wonkette - 12-21-2016, 01:29 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-28-2016, 01:56 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 12-18-2016, 12:54 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-19-2016, 04:16 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-19-2016, 05:21 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-20-2016, 01:56 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-20-2016, 02:04 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-20-2016, 02:26 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-20-2016, 03:01 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Anthony '58 - 12-21-2016, 11:01 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Odin - 12-22-2016, 07:53 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by TnT - 12-25-2016, 07:05 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-28-2016, 01:58 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-28-2016, 02:42 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by TnT - 01-02-2017, 04:43 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 01-02-2017, 05:11 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Warren Dew - 01-02-2017, 07:54 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 01-03-2017, 12:56 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by TnT - 01-03-2017, 02:02 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Warren Dew - 01-04-2017, 02:27 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 01-04-2017, 12:57 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-26-2016, 08:38 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-26-2016, 11:08 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by TeacherinExile - 12-27-2016, 12:44 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-28-2016, 02:16 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 12-28-2016, 03:06 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 12-27-2016, 06:47 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by tg63 - 12-28-2016, 09:44 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 12-27-2016, 10:00 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-28-2016, 06:09 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-29-2016, 10:48 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-29-2016, 06:32 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 12-30-2016, 11:35 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 12-30-2016, 03:20 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-02-2017, 08:03 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 01-03-2017, 12:28 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-03-2017, 07:46 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 01-04-2017, 05:57 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-04-2017, 06:17 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-05-2017, 03:26 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Anthony '58 - 01-06-2017, 10:20 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 01-06-2017, 01:49 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-06-2017, 08:11 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-06-2017, 05:28 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 01-06-2017, 06:37 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by radind - 01-06-2017, 07:42 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 01-06-2017, 08:03 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by radind - 01-06-2017, 08:09 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-06-2017, 06:50 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 01-06-2017, 07:33 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-06-2017, 08:06 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-06-2017, 08:04 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-06-2017, 08:18 PM
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RE: America is a sick society - by radind - 01-07-2017, 09:31 AM
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RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-09-2017, 04:47 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Marypoza - 01-26-2017, 01:15 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-26-2017, 01:48 PM
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RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-26-2017, 02:02 PM
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RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-25-2017, 02:29 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Odin - 01-25-2017, 08:17 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-26-2017, 02:15 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Marypoza - 01-26-2017, 03:07 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 01-26-2017, 03:18 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Marypoza - 01-28-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 03-08-2017, 12:52 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 06-28-2017, 11:58 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 06-29-2017, 10:32 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 06-29-2017, 07:03 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 07-28-2017, 08:50 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 07-29-2017, 09:26 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 07-31-2017, 01:25 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-01-2017, 09:10 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-01-2017, 12:35 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-02-2017, 05:06 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Mikebert - 08-01-2017, 03:12 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-03-2017, 02:44 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Mikebert - 08-05-2017, 02:53 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-06-2017, 09:42 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Mikebert - 08-01-2017, 02:37 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Mikebert - 08-01-2017, 02:47 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-01-2017, 03:06 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Mikebert - 08-02-2017, 09:00 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-01-2017, 03:33 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-02-2017, 06:29 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-02-2017, 06:38 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by pbrower2a - 08-02-2017, 08:26 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-03-2017, 11:30 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-06-2017, 08:19 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-06-2017, 08:29 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-06-2017, 08:45 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-07-2017, 12:07 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-07-2017, 10:05 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-07-2017, 10:20 AM
RE: America is a sick society - by David Horn - 08-07-2017, 01:40 PM
RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-07-2017, 02:33 PM
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RE: America is a sick society - by Eric the Green - 08-09-2017, 11:17 AM
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