America is a sick society

[Eric the Green]

(10-05-2018, 04:05 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: 1.  Small towns don't need to have old jobs return. Since lots of high tech jobs can be done remotely, it doesn't matter where you live. Folks can have the benefits of small towns like no traffic, cheap housing, and fresh food, once agriculture has to scale down. <-  Big AG is doomed by resource depletion like all things big. Oil will get more expensive.  Oil won't run out, but it's gonna cost.   So, the young ones can get on-line and learn the skills of whatever sized companies , chuck cars even, and enjoy a less hectic small town life. Yeah, cars are so over rated. Tesla's a joke. Why mess with cars when one can replace big ugly freeways and airports with train stations for regular and light rail? Meh on corporations. The way I see it, there are no US based corporations. All big corporations are transnationals that owe no allegiance to  anyone but the bottom line and need a smacking by anti trust laws.  

The people in rural red America feel stuck, and have no access or education to those high tech jobs. There may well be bridges to build there as Kaplan said. Mostly young people may be able to bring high tech to rural red America. But not very many young people in urban blue America want to do that. So it will be up to young red rural Americans to move to blue America, and then come back; I suppose.

Rail needs to come back, but cars are helpful. I don't live in an urban core anymore, and like many other suburbanites, our place is built for cars. So Tesla is no joke. But I agree; anti-trust the hell out of corporations. I hope it happens in the 2020s if and when we get our government back. For now, it is lost, and it will take drastic action indeed to get it back. It's a 4T; anything is possible.

Quote:2. I'm not worried about corporate globalism lasting. It's gonna collapse due to climate change, population overshoot, and mass poverty. It's a one way trip to a new dark ages man.

3. I just want my little country to escape as much of the mess as possible. That means fewer people to match the carrying capacity. 

"Our little country?" Which country did you say you're from, again?

What we are forgetting, is that we had a chance to create a new Renaissance when the wall came down. There is more peace and prosperity in the world than ever before. We just don't know a good thing, so we prefer to keep our heads glued to crap and our politics filled with sewage.

Quote:4. Jobs no Americans will do. That's dumb.  If you shut off the cheap labor, companies can either raise wages and improve working conditions so Americans will do the jobs or else they can just shut down.  It's their choice and since they fucked over American workers, tough shit to them.  I'd pick lettuce if I got paid $30.00/hr plus benefits. Lettuce prices go up, but oh well. This is what I keep telling you. There's no need for more people, because resources will become more scarce. I don't want to import elite labor either. If companies want to do business here, they need to support our education system more.  They sure as hell need to have a must do reason to do that.

But the immigrants are not doing those jobs. Residents don't do those jobs, no matter what the wages are, and wages for them are not going to ever go up to $30 an hour. So the immigrants aren't bringing anyone's wages down. The cheap labor is abroad, not coming from abroad to here. The jobs that were lost in the red America that Kaplan saw were not farm jobs; they were industrial jobs, and immigrants did not take them. The companies shipped them and their factories abroad, or consolidated and mechanized their jobs out of existence. Free trade allowed foreign companies to out-compete companies with high-wage American workers. Unions were decimated. Immigrants had little or nothing to do with those lost rust belt jobs; they didn't even go there. But Trump still exploits white resentment, and brainwashes them to vote for his anti-immigration measures. It's easy to create scapegoats; Republicans, not Democrats, are the expert scapegoat creators, unlike what Classic Xer says. "They're not sending their best; they're bringing lots of problems... They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists." -- Donald the Drump. Misdirect blame, and then you can keep doing what you're doing to hurt the people.

Supporting our education more, yes. The companies do need more people to do educated jobs already. Arousing hatred and resentment of poor immigrants? Not needed. Educated jobs are not threatened by them. No doubt wages and working conditions need to be raised. Maybe forcing farmers to raise wages much higher is a solution to immigrants taking cheaper-wage farm jobs, but the immigrant bashers are not interested in that solution; it hurts their bottom line.

Mistreatment and injustice hurts everyone. We can have a fair immigration system that allows people to come here legally in reasonable numbers, and screens out terrorists and criminals, without separating families and without calling everybody who crosses the border seeking asylum a criminal and a rapist. It's not true. The USA was built by immigrants. Borders are imaginary lines only. Fair immigration policies were proposed already and shelved by Republicans. Trump's policies are racist and un-American and won't work.

More people per se does not threaten the economy or jobs. It creates jobs, and young people whom parents brought here (the dreamers) who graduated school and have aspirations will create jobs and be good customers. Better economies and freer societies abroad will reduce immigrants and refugees. The USA can help and thereby reduce illegal immigration. Building a wall and deporting people for no reason will not stop it.

Quote:5. There will be no need to connect to a world that's like a petri dish full of bacteria.  Humans ain't no different. We'll keep breeding until our population crashes in our own waste. Trump's a bit off wrt shithole.  The whole world's becoming a shithole full of microplastics, fertilizer fueled red tides , and just plain trash.  Trump is off wrt shit holes. The whole world is becoming a shit hole. The US is a literal shit hole due to homeless problems, Mr. Trump. The flood tide of human shit means the whole world is a shit hole. Now that's one thing that's global, human shit, all over the place , regardless of race, it's something whether we like it or not we'll have to embrace, face to face.

Right; we'll need some global solutions and well as national ones to fix that. It can be done, and if millennials learn to vote as well as complain, then the job will be easier.