Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

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(12-10-2018, 06:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-10-2018, 01:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: We need to set policy according to the few crazies, because they cause unnecessary and tragic deaths. Many examples can be given. Life is not a statistic. And the crazies can be influential too to a degree, as they have influenced the followers of Trump, and all those demonstrators at Charlottesville and elsewhere.

Forgiveness is a release of emotional attachment to what we experience as hurt. Forgiveness is beneficial primarily for the forgiver. The understanding should be remembered; emotional clinging to the past is not needed, although we often do it. Understanding that, as Jesus said about those who crucified him, "they know not what they do", or like the African-American Christian victims of Dylann Roof who forgave him, forgiveness and transcending hate is possible.

 If that's what you believe and how you view things, why do you support the idea of giving more Islamic's the right to immigrate to this country and support the right of Islamic immigrants to remain living in this country after seeing/experiencing  what a few Islamic crazies have already  done? Gee, I've never suggested we that we ban all Islamic's or round them all up and ship them back to where they came from.

Well, we did destabilize the Middle East, which is primarily Islamic.  We did offer many who gave the US and western values a chance to immigrate when we cut, run, and made their life a potential hell in their homeland.  So, I do have some sympathy for some immigrants.  

With the lies and corruption of Big Oil and the Bush 43 administration, I can show a little sympathy for the Islamic extremists as well.  Both communism and the capitalists showed their worst to the Middle East from colonial rule through the modern day.  I don't even blame them for conservatively sticking with what they knew, the religious law of the Agricultural Age, even though that is as elitist, autocratic and obsolete enough to never go anywhere.  Traditional Islamic rule is a doomed proposition, but we have shown them even worse in terms of empowering elites and keeping the common man impoverished.

That does not mean I support a massive intake of terrorists.

But, again, setting policy on a few crazies, whether they are "Americans" driving through peaceful anti fascist protestors or Taliban insurgents driving airplanes into buildings, is apt to lead to irrational over reaction.  You set rational policy on larger groups.  Middle Easterners who sympathized with US attempts to change the culture to mesh with western values are much more common than the pilots who flew into buildings.  So too, red Americans living in the middle of the country are much more common than the lone nuts who drive automobiles through crowds.

What is common is that the nuts take the more common larger group's values to an extreme, use the many as an excuse for rabid extremism.  They make the rabid extremists who post here look sane and moderate.  What is also common is that both common groups are frustrated by wealthy elite governments that care little for the common people.  I sympathize with the peaceful Islamic immigrants as much as I sympathize with the peaceful red 'Americans' who grew so frustrated with their establishment to look to Trump to fulfill Reagan's impossible dream.