Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-22-2018, 02:08 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-21-2018, 02:01 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I see that people have to try a lot harder to push those levels of sincerity onto world views which are seen as alien, absurd and wrong.

Anyway, you won't get me unless you accept me as an INTP who sincerely believes in human rights, democracy, equality, Keynes, and environmentalism.  If you do not accept that people who disagree with you have positive views of themselves, if you try to project bad views and stereotypes on them, you will remain lost in the wilderness.  I'm more Whiggish than most blues, less modern in some ways, but lean blue.  Most blues have not thought through where blues came from, and demonize rival thoughts, but if you presume sincerity and truly listen to what people say about their own motivation you will go far in attributing motivation accurately.

I have no doubt that most blues have a very high opinion of themselves and their views. I don't have an issue with you viewing yourself or identifying yourself as an INTP. I'm sorry but the Whigs disappeared with Teddy Roosevelt. So, I really don't know what being Whggish means these day. Isn't there a modern political term that you can use instead or feel comfortable using around blues? I've got your back. I mean there's only two of them and I can handle both of them myself. Feel free to politically identify.

I was given the label of Whig by Virgil Sarri, a poster on the old site who was into old perspectives.  I mean, he spent a lot of time advocating for long ignored royal dynasties.  At that time some conservative posters were trying to deny any arrow of progress.  I came to argue that the Agricultural Age to Information Age transition defined such an arrow, and the Enlightenment values of democracy, human rights and equality.  That became identified as Whiggish on the old site, and I felt enough for that to go along.  But basically I am a progressive, a liberal.  Those ideals seem to last longer than political parties.  During the Pre Civil War through Jim Crow eras, the race issue and north vs south were more important than progressive vs liberal.  Both parties had progressive and conservative wings.  Changing names of parties is no big deal.

(12-22-2018, 02:08 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Me, I'm a solid ISTP. I took a few tests, honestly answered the questions, read the results and information about ISTP's and everything matched. I'm very intuitive but I follow my senses (instincts or follow my gut as they say) Me, I'm a Northern Yankee, A proud supporter of the party of Lincoln in a modern day sense. I'm an American born, American raised, American educated Classical Liberal like FDR, JFK/MLK, Reagan and Trump. You do realize that America has ideology of its own that no other ideology can even come close to matching or defeating.

I see FDR and Reagan as leading during very different times.  Both leaders had their thumbs on the pulse of the country.   Both leaders led the country in directions the country was ready to go.  But the two leaders advocated very different philosophies, led at different times in the S&H cycles.  FDR and Reagan became icons for the blue and red approaches.  Me, I prefer the working together and transformation associated with a crisis better than the selfishness, debate and stagnation of an unravelling.  I can see why unravellings happen.  They have their place in a cyclical perspective.  I took advantage of the culture and the time as much as anyone.  But still, I was then and still am ready to move on.

Many cultures do very well and follow a basic western pattern.  I would include the USA, Europe, Australia, and Japan as among those.  Most such counties put more emphasis on economics, less on the military aspects, than the USA.  After World War II, I don't blame them.  Many countries saw the violence, destruction and starvation up close and would as soon avoid it.  Red culture embraces military culture more.  They embrace the conflicts typical of the Agricultural Age to Industrial Age transition more.  Other cultures embrace the military aspects of the culture less.  I don't really blame them, but there are still autocratic cultures out there who might decide to expand by military means.  They have to be contained.  I don't regret the choice of the USA and the red culture to commit to military strength.  I am just not sure militarism is all that hot, so to speak, to be celebrated.