01-11-2019, 02:15 AM
(01-10-2019, 12:13 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: I am discussing a logical fallacy in which you wallow. At its worst it defines out of the national community people who fall short of some idea because of their religion, political beliefs, cultural values, mental or physical handicaps, or national origin. American nationality is generally defined by formal citizenship, most often by birth but also by naturalization.I've never said that that you weren't born an American or claimed that you weren't an American citizen. If a fascist ran as Democrat would you be able to identify them or notice them. How many Americans would let of a Constitutional right/value for a blue value or trade a Constitutional right/value for a blue value or let go of their beliefs/ignore their own beliefs for a blue these days? You mentioned fallacy, how many fallacy's do you think I've seen, dealt with, challenged, dismissed or proven to be wrong and inaccurate and so forth over the last decade. Thousands? PB, I don't need a teacher at this point in my life. I could use a grammar skill brush up and probably some more book reading instead of doing other interesting things or important stuff related to actual leadership position and actual management/financial management and social activities and watching interesting cable series and informative movies or series on cable TV channels or spending time here showing Americans/foreigners what blues are really like and what Republican voters actually stand for and what Democrats should expect if they don't tighten up the reigns on their own.
OK. If I were to average my preference in music by composer based on an average as a definition of my nationality, then I would probably be Czech. Prague is about in the middle of the populous parts of Europe, and if you average Bach and Mozart you get some place in the Czech Republic. Does that make me Czech? I happen to have liked about every piece of Czech classical music that I have ever heard. Does that make me Czech?
OK -- a true Czech at the least speaks Czech (I don't), as language heavily defines a Czech from just about anyone else. There is little reason for anyone to learn Czech unless to translate Czech literature. The language is of little use outside the Czech Republic , and I can think of European languages (English, French, Spanish, German, Italian, Portuguese, Russian, and Polish) far more useful in an international context.
To have an affinity for the music of Stamitz, Smetana, Dvorak, Janacek, and Martinu no more makes one Czech than does having an affinity for Italian opera make one Italian -- or that disliking classical music would make one not a Czech.
As for ideology -- many socialists and even Communists see themselves as Americans. A Commie believes that the truth of some variant of Marxism is universally true throughout the world, and not contradictory to any national entity. Definitive of a nationality? No. There are and have been Socialist states (Commies call their regimes "Socialist", and not "Communist", communism representing the ultimate objective of a super-advanced social order that develops under the rule of a Communist order through economic and technological advances). They consider the advancement of Socialism as the definitive exercise of patriotism.
Does someone lose US Citizenship by becoming a Communist? No more than by joining a KKK or neo-Nazi group.
You are welcome to disparage my political beliefs as much as you wish. Such makes me no less American.