03-22-2019, 03:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-22-2019, 03:38 PM by Eric the Green.)
(03-22-2019, 03:00 PM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: As I recall, there was a thread to the paleo site which examined 4Ts in relation to the double rhythm. For a Dionysus cycle the 4T question was-should we stick to the existing Civic order, or go back to the past?
(In an Apollo cycle, the question would be-should we stick with the status quo, or build something new?)
In the present the question would be-should we re-embrace the New Deal, or go back to the Gilded Age?
That has some truth to it. It would be over-simplified though, since the civil war was also an advancement, since it eliminated slavery in the section of the country that clung to the past. So it would be something like: a Dionysian cycle seeks to remove the blocks to the ongoing progress. It's more like a choice between an extension of the still-developing civic order, or going back to the past.
Today the Green New Deal would deal with some issues (like climate change) that were not yet so prominent in 1933.
You can say that the industrial order was developing before the civil war, but had only really taken off during the 4T itself which began in 1850, and had to defeat the agricultural order. Today, the post-industrial and socially-just order that is sustainable with the planet's ecology has been developing since the sixties, but now we have to make the choice to push it forward, as it has taken off only since our 4T began in around 2008. To make this progress, the old industrial gilded-age order has to be curtailed or defeated, rather than returned to as the Reaganoids and Trumpists want.