03-22-2019, 04:36 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-22-2019, 05:13 PM by Eric the Green.)
(03-22-2019, 04:26 PM)Mikebert Wrote:(03-22-2019, 03:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: 1. Ha ha. I'd say one of the great world wars in European and American history was pretty dramatic. King William's War was one of the most dramatic and consequential times in history. From it descend almost all the governments of the developed world today.1. In Europe, maybe, but in America, not so much.
2. We didn't "all" think 9-11 was the start of a Crisis. Polls here have consistently shown that the majority have always agreed with the 2008 date.
2. People thought the 4T began in 2008 back in 2001? Really? How would they know?
In 2008 most of us (included me) had dropped the 2001 date, if we hadn't already, in favor of 2008. Right after 2008 it look VERY much like a 4T start. But as the years have gone by it has looked less and less so. Obama changed little in Foreign policy from the path Bush set, the war on terror continued. Obama increased the use of drones and got the US troop back in Iraq and got involved in wars in Syria and Yemen, as well and continue the pointless Afghan war.
Our default economic policy remains the policy established by the Reagan administration. Inequality continued to rise through Obama's term and into Trumps. Profits are soaring and the stock market is back in the stratosphere. Feels like the 1990's or the "greed is good" eighties again. I haven't seen any significant change in the direction set at the end of the 2T.
1. It was pretty big compared to the other colonial wars, the first of the inter-colonial wars. It lasted 9 years. Also, what happened in Europe affected the destiny of its lands in America. They were citizens of the UK and France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_William%27s_War
2. That's true about not knowing about 2008 (although I knew), but many understood in 2001 that 9-11 was not yet the start of the 4T. They knew it couldn't be, according to the generation dates and the theory too. Going shopping was not a 4T response to the 9-11 attack. Bush didn't even put hardly any troops on the ground in Afghanistan in 2001-02 to fight Al Qaeda. There was no 4T war.
I think the war on terror has indeed continued into the 4T, and will probably be back in 2025 when the war cycle comes around again. It has become part of the 4T and will remain so. That war cycle is only about 12 years, and it keeps coming back in all turnings, just about. The need to curtail the IS was strong, I believe, and so that's how we got back into Syria and Iraq, with a relatively small force. We had not gotten involved in those places before 2014, except in 2013 to threaten Assad with bombing after his chemical weapons attacks. But cautious Obama didn't pull the trigger.
I think the Bush policy of preventive imperialist war has been discredited though, even though Obama continued the drone attacks; at least until he greatly curtailed them due to protests.
Again, I think you are being too impatient. We should not have expected an FDR in the 2010s; only politicians like those in the 1850s. Pierce is even a Bush ancestor, if I remember correctly. It still feels like the 3T, just as the 1850s did. But the crisis is ongoing anyway, and will climax on schedule.
Obama tried to shift away from the Reagan policies, but the nation is too divided for that to stick. The division continued and gave us the Tea Party and Trump. Our crisis is really not economic, primarily, but political polarization. That is the real nature of this 4T, in a double rhythm with the 1850-1865 crisis.