06-30-2019, 02:59 AM
(06-29-2019, 11:41 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:(05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
Civics get coddled and spoon fed as children and youth. That's what causes them to be so entitled for the rest of their lives, because they think being coddled is the normal state of life. Contrast this with reactives, who get neglected in their childhood and youth.
Howe and Strauss saw Reactive children neglected and often abused even if they got a good material environment. The Civic generations may have known (economic) hardship in childhood, but they got some solid protection and direction.
Quote:Civics are the cannon fodder of the crisis. That's the main downside.
For real cannon fodder, look at the still-young Gilded on both sides in the American Civil War (but they became Civic-like by default, at least in the North, after the Civil War)... or the Lost in western Europe. I know about the horror of the meatgrinder of the Great Patriotic War from the initial invasion of the Soviet Union to the fall of Berlin. Likewise the Sino-Japanese front in the Pacific Theater. In western Europe, the Wehrmacht endured huge casualties -- many of them captures. Given the choice between surrendering to the British or Americans, fighting to the death against the Soviet Union, or becoming a POW of Stalin... surrendering to American, British, or Free French armies was wise if things got desperate. Of course, Hitler, Stalin, Chiang, and Tojo were all horrible leaders willing to sacrifice millions for even slight gains, let alone saving their skins.
Quote:The result of the crisis is a consensus, which everyone better conform to or else. Since the consensus is dictated by Civics, a majority of Civics will like this consensus, so there's a good side. The others just shut up and pretend to agree, I guess. There were plenty of Civics who said before WWII that we should stay out of it; they all quit saying that afterwards, one way or another.
In old age, Civics get to keep being entitled with respect to material goods, in return for giving up political control to Idealists. I imagine most Civics consider that to be a good compromise.
Precisely.
Quote:Quote:Great. We get a totalitarian society whether left or right. So fun for me to be surrounded by assholes who want to tell me what to do.
Aspies are likely particularly poorly suited to the Civic lifecycle. For the average sheeple, it's pretty good.
People with Asperger's are likely to ape conformism. It's the facial expressions that cannot conform. Aspies can find functions in bureaucracies.
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GIs pushed critical thinking upon Boom kids, and it worked to keep most of them from becoming narcissistic fascists
It wasn't the GIs who pushed critical thinking on Boom kids, since the GIs, as Civics, were ultimate conformists that considered critical thinking dangerously radical. It was the Silents that taught Boomers to think for themselves, and for some of them, that thinking ended up being critical thinking.
Howe and Strauss suggest that GI parents and teachers had learned about fascism and later Communist rule, both of which demanded extreme conformity and subordination. Critical thought would allegedly prevent that. Critical thought gave those who learned it as a habit to reject any totalitarian ideology.
People around Trump seem not to practice critical thought. They never learned it.
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By the time the crisis is over I'll be in my early 40s. How is this good?
Life begins at 50, so it will be in plenty of time. Whether the stability will be good for you is another question. I wouldn't be surprised if the neurotypical Millenials start incarcerating the nonneurotypicals in asylums again, on the theory that they have criminal tendencies.
The system will have enough trouble with the 'dangerous' heretics of politics or religion.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.