Political compass for the21st century

[Eric the Green]

(03-24-2019, 06:17 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:

(03-23-2019, 11:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: As I explained, the free market fundamentalists, which rule the Republican Party today, and have ever since Reagan at least, are very close to fascism, because they enable the corporate elite to rule without any oversight or regulation from the people through their government. Government by the people protects liberty. Government is not necessarily a problem, as the Reaganoids have falsely claimed and still claim.

Reagan could be somewhere between pro-market Individualism and some form of Traditionalism, he called himself a conservative for some reason.

He called himself accurately. He was a very extreme, right-wing conservative in all ways. If he is seen as more moderate now, it's only because the right-wing has become even more extreme.

Quote:Actual libertarians are not really fond of Reagan, though they might prefer him to someone like Obama.
https://mises.org/library/myths-reaganomics
https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0

I'm not a libertarian, since I prefer "compassionate capitalism" to both market fundamentalism and socialism. I'm more with Obama on economic policy, but more with Bush on culture and war on terror. I don't like Reagan as a man, and I don't agree with his worship of money, but still he deserves some credit for defeating the USSR. I wouldn't call him a fascist, after all he didn't send his opponents to concentration camps. Left-wing activism was quite popular in the US in the 80s.

I wouldn't call Reagan a fascist either. But I didn't want to give him any credit for "defeating" the USSR. Their system was stagnant, and so Gorbachev opened it up. Stalinism does not work, so their rulers must eventually allow more freedom. This happened in China and Vietnam too. But typically they allow more economic than actual political freedom. Gorbachev was unique and wonderful, but he was succeeded by Yeltsin, who was incompetent, and then Putin, who has just returned Russia to what it was before Gorbachev, but without the socialist trappings and slogans.

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Quote:If you say Corbyn supports Putin and Hamas, I need to see actual quotes from him. BTW, people who oppose the genocide being committed by Israel against its neighbors today do not necessarily support Muslim terrorists either.

According to Mr Corbyn, Hamas works for peace and social justice. An actual quote:
The idea that an organisation that is dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people, and bringing about long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region, should be labelled as a terrorist organisation by the British government, is really a big, big historical mistake.
https://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/16/guar...eftwinger/

As for Russia, it seems he wants to be neutral in the struggle between Putin and Russia's western neighbours. He believes Putin's actions in the Ukraine were provoked by the Ukrainian government wanting to join NATO. I'd argue it count as supporting the tyrant in practice.

What genocide in Israel??? It's a lie spread by Arab nationalists and islamists. Look at the facts:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/...ry559.html
(scroll to Table 1. Palestinian population is steadily growing)

More recent data:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...statistics

Where are the deaths caused by alleged genocide?

You are quoting a pro-Israel site, and I don't see Corbyn quotes on there from my reading of it.

In the quote you posted (without the source), Corbyn did not mention Hamas. The Palestinians do deserve self-determination and statehood, don't they?

I'm sure Putin's actions in Ukraine were provoked by Ukraine wanting to join NATO, and that the Ukraine rebels genuinely identify with Russia. That does not make what Putin is doing in Ukraine right, in my opinion. The people should determine their own nationality, not have it determined by a Russian invasion which Putin denies making. I don't disagree that Putin is dangerous and wants to restore the Russian Empire. If Corbyn does not see that, then I would not agree with him.

The Israeli genocide against the Palestinians could not be more clear. They regularly shoot and kill them just for demonstrating. They have invaded and bombed Gaza many times and blockade it in order to starve them to death. Thousands have died. They steal land and water in the West Bank and impose restrictions on them there. Netanyahu is just another thug like Putin. This is all common knowledge. I do not support Israel as long as it elects thugs like Bibi. They need to switch their direction back toward what it was before Bibi, and be willing to make peace and not assert their right to all of Palestine as Bibi does.

As I noted above, I am not in favor of Muslim terrorists either, and their Islamic State was horrific compared to Israel.

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Quote:Democratic socialism which still allows a balance of free enterprise and state regulation and ownership is not anywhere near the bottom of the political circle, or anywhere near communism or fascism.

Are there any real-life examples of such democratic socialism? A balance of free enterprise and state-run enterprise is found in most democracies all over the world. What do you think is missing?

As Bernie points out, the Scandivanian countries fit as examples of this model. No country is perfect, because humans aren't. In the USA, far too much latitude has been given since Reagan to the "free" (corporate) market. Much the same applies to the UK since Thatcher. But I don't distinguish between Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy in this statement.

I prefer to make two different circles. The political compass is fine for political ideas, and I developed the philosophers wheel for philosophical ideas. Whether God exists or not, and thus the basis for a theocracy, is a philosophical question, as well as what free market fundamentalists and communists may share in rationalist self-interest or materialism in general.

http://philosopherswheel.com/#The%20Phil...'s%20Wheel

You seem to combine the two, which is a somewhat different and more difficult project.