Political compass for the21st century

[Eric the Green]

(11-03-2019, 06:33 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:

(11-02-2019, 12:25 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Maybe you missed the point of my quotes? It's the anti-environmentalists who are the religious fanatics, according to the facts.

The evangelicals are indeed religious fanatics and anti-environmentalists, but I've never met one. I'm more interested in transhumanist and space enthusiast opposition to Earth worship.

Maybe someday a super-civilization will recreate Holy Mother Earth in all her pristine glory. How do you like this idea?

Who knows what we will be capable of someday. But we need to stop despoiling it now and not count on that.

Greens like me believe that the most significant goal of our time is to learn to live on Earth sustainably as one people now, and restore what we can. We put Earth among the highest priorities, at least. Transhumanists such as yourself have a different priority.

One thing I like to remind you guys of, however. There's very little land in our solar system. Mars is much smaller and could not accommodate the current Earth population, and that's about all there is. If your ambition is to go further, then we will have to break the light barrier. And if we could ever do that, the likelihood is that other ETs have already done that and visited us, as many observers say (but the idea is not admitted in mainstream science because it says the light barrier can't be broken). More than likely, any ability to break the light barrier which we achieve will have been reversed engineered from the ETs.

I see that I reminded you of this on a thread in The Future forum. You conveniently replied with the mainstream science view that the ETs have not visited us. That implies that you also have to discard that mainstream science view too, along with the mainstream science view that the light barrier cannot be broken.

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Quote:Japan also experienced a devastating defeat in the 1940s, a nuclear disaster. They got over it and are now one of world's most modernized societies. Cannot the Arabs got over the creation of Israel and focused on modernizing themselves? How long should the struggle go on before they admit defeat? Will it be still going on in 2048? 2148?

Probably, because Israel stubbornly believes it has a right to all Palestinian land, and holds back the Arabs in that land with its oppression and theft.

Any conquered population eventually assimilates like the ancient Britons conquered by the Anglo-Saxons or migrates away, like the Caucasian tribes conquered by the Russians escaped to the Middle East. Virtually noone sacrifices his life to avenge a disaster that happened centuries ago.

And yet people in the Middle East fight to avenge disasters that happened millennia ago, including the Israelis.

Quote:I suspects even Palestinian Arabs my age (born in the 80s and 90s) would find the "disaster" of 1948 a remote, uninspiring event, if they weren't indoctrinated by Palestinian nationalists at school. The sort of struggle their textbooks preach would really appeal to most hardcore alt-right members in America:
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Confl...ews-472012

West Bank under Fatah is still rated not free by Freedom House:
https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-.../west-bank

Of course. The West Bank is subject to Israel.

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Quote:I have a bit of trouble though with saying Yellow is Right and then putting it at the top

The diagram should be tilted to that the boundary between Yellow and Purple is at the top. Also, I think I'll eliminate Stirner since he as a radically anti-social individualist is outside the 5 categories.

Good.