America is a sick society

[David Horn]

(01-15-2020, 02:44 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(01-14-2020, 11:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: If we got rid of California and some blue cities, where would we rank? Food for thought. Think about, how much money to we spend to provide costly services for your potential voter's and your illegals or your potential future voters and the refuges (more potential future voters) that your liberal policies associated with global agreements for us to take in and support. Like I said, you guys (the liberals) have a pretty good gig going on for themselves.

Part of the above is supporting tasks which must be done rather than leaving the jobs undone and pocketing the money.  This would include attacking environmental issues and fixing infrastructure.   The conservatives tend to live in areas which suffer less effects, and thus would rather pocket the money.  Liberals consider this short sighted.  OK, boomer?

This is one time where the racism draws close to the surface.  The international agreements are there to help everybody.  Some conservatives would rather focus on people most like themselves.  Those supporting privilege and benefit for people most like themselves in skin pigmentation and religion are definitely frowned upon by liberals.

Are all people created equal?  Must we work to preserve and build infrastructure, to continue stability?  If we are to keep the benefits of lands where many live close together - pick up trucks, TV sets, other appliances built in more urban areas such as California and the other blue areas - we have to address the problems which result from folks that live close together.  The more rural dwellers seem to want a free ride and get bent out of shape when they don’t get it.  At the same time, in rural areas it is far more practical to adopt a more independent lifestyle, and they should not be forced to pay for or endure things they do not want or need.  They are to some extent choosing to handle things themselves rather than pay for government specialists to do things for them.  That is natural in a lower population density setting.

There are real solid reasons for the rural urban divide.  Even the bias towards white male protestants is understandable, if reprehensible.  The white male protestants a few centuries back had the blatant advantage of guns, germs and steel.  They should keep that advantage forever?  I would say not.

Bob, I have to take issue with your response, because some of Classic's premises are simply wrong.  First, the Blue areas of the US pay vastly more in taxes than they receive in return -- in any form!  Second, and no less important, is the fallacy of Perpetual Burden.  No, immigrants do not arrive and immediately produce more than they consume, but they do in short order.  By the 5th year of their residency they are typically net payors, having offset their initial cost to whomever helped get them on their feet.

So overall, it's the rural areas that are sucking the blood out of hard working urbanites (the incendiary language intended as a demonstration of how stupid it sounds in reverse).  Worse, most of the rural areas refuse to get help they clearly need, making their downward spiral inevitable and devastating.