Political compass for the21st century

[Eric the Green]

(05-18-2020, 04:31 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote:

(05-16-2020, 01:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: No, there's not. Pro-market is always right wing today. Socialism is an advance on capitalism. In fact, it is more conducive of progress than pro-market ideology is, and is closely aligned with what we call "progressive" today.

The Soviet lost the space race, remember? And their living standards were far behind America or Britain. Compassionate capitalism, innovative free market with robust welfare sector wins. This is what Norway does, and they are the happiest nation on the planet.

Quote:I see Pro-Market as the Orange meme on the spiral dynamics curve, which is Uranus in Planetary Dynamics symbolism. So yes, it's more advanced than Blue and Brown, which is the authority in traditional, medieval and early modern societies of the Church (Blue/Jupiter) (your theological sector), and State (Brown/Saturn/statist, your securitarian sector). 

If you want to match the sectors with specific institutions, I'd go with:

Blue - the Church
Brown - the Army
Grey - the Police

Spiral Dynamic is a hierarchy, one mindset is more evolved than the other, while my system says you can evolve in different directions.

That's why I like Spiral Dynamics. It's evolutionary, although the theory says that each stage continues to have its place in the yellow meme as "nested hierarchies." Your addition of a Nationalism sector does seem to add a "different direction" for modern times that I would consider a regression, not an advance, in the way it historically developed; and thus on the right wing. But it does fit in Planetary Dynamics (if not in Spiral Dynamics per se) as right-wing mass-society collectivism under Neptune. World War II turned out to be a battle to the death between totalitarian versions of Neptune on the right and the left. Left-wing totalitarianism won out, and still exists in North Korea at least, although that society is more like a throwback to a decadent version of Saturn/dynastic royality as well, in either case fitting well into the securitarian sector.

Norway fits high in the socialist quadrant. What makes it successful is its blend of socialism and capitalism, a truly mixed economy where taxes actually provide what people need. An advanced model that Bernie Sanders recommends, although the USA is too backward ever to copy it. Norway indeed is a socialist society that is an advance on the laissez faire, robber baron capitalism that prevailed before socialism came along to challenge and reform it.

The Soviets are left wing, but only in the statist/securitarian sector as the signature example of totalitarianism. It is not the best example of socialism for that reason. But it is a handy hatchet to throw by free marketeers against their opponents, who usually are far more in touch with the peoples' needs than pro-market oligarchy-apologists like Newt Gingrich, Paul Ryan, Mises, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Mike Pence and George W. Bush.

You've probably seen my Planetary Dynamics page by now, but if not it's well worth checking out.
http://philosopherswheel.com/planetarydynamics.html