06-10-2020, 01:22 PM
(06-09-2020, 01:30 PM)David Horn Wrote:(06-08-2020, 07:25 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(06-08-2020, 06:41 PM)David Horn Wrote:(06-08-2020, 05:05 PM)sbarrera Wrote: A two pole regeneracy is a civil war. Which might be where we are - the blue state has the numbers and the red state has the weaponry.
H-m-m-m. Sounds a lot like the ACW.
Except the Civil War had violent catalysts in Bleeding Kansas and Harper's Ferry leading up to it. These days, the spiral of violence is going no where, and both sides have adopted the popular vote as good enough to peacefully hand over power. Also, the Civil War was typical of the Industrial Age where both sides were eager to go to violence. Peaceful means wasn't really common yet. Thoreau wrote about it a little at the time of the Mexican War with his Civil Disobedience essay, but it was only with Ghandi and King that it took off.
These days, 'war' can be fought without the need of actual combat, because the 'war' itself can exist in a different context entirely. Let's assume that this 'war' is economic. What are the weapons? A lot of them are productive units like factories that exist where they are. On the other hand, some are totally mobile -- the analogy isn't precise. But we do know where the people reside: more in Blue than Red areas by far. If I'm wrong and it comes to actual violence, I suspect the 2nd Amendment folks won't rush to the battlements if it means fighting a modern military, so the 'war' may be self limiting.
(06-10-2020, 11:09 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(06-10-2020, 09:35 AM)LPDec63 Wrote: I believe the next election is going to be a major catalyst, not a resolution. If there is to be violence, it will be because of Team Red's armed militias, or Team Blue raising up in anger if there are election shenanigans. (I think the only way Red wins is Shenanigans.) And I believe that Reds will not lay down gently with a Blue win. They are fueled by Internet Trolls and Conspiracy theories that literally say Hillary Clinton leads a child sex slavery ring and that Bill Gates wants to inject control chips in everyone through vaccines. (I'm not kidding, there are millions that believe things like this.)
If? Don't you mean when? The pertinent question is whether the shenanigans and the slavery compromises will be strong enough to rescue Trump. The way it is looking now, the answer is no.
But middle America has been accepting election results. I suspect also that many are leaning blue this time in order to get a scientific response to the bug and racist violence curbed in the police. I don't doubt that many believe the conspiracy theories, but the crisis issues seem stronger.
I guess we'll see November 4th whatever follows this election. I think it is a "Rendezvous with Destiny" moment.