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I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
(07-28-2020, 11:14 AM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: I recall an old thread of the paleo 4T site.  It compared the intensities of different Awakendings.   Yes, one would expect any Awakening to be intense, but some were more intense than others.

Comparing American 2Ts, among the more intense were the Transcendental and Boom 2Ts.  That colonial era 2T (don't recall the name of it) was less intense than those two, with the Missionary Awakening being even less intense.

As for the Great Power saeculum, why would it be deemed a Mega-Awakening?  Which turning other than the 2T-which wasn't that intense for a 2T-reminds one of an Awakening?  Does the Gilded Age remind one of an Awakening?

I expect that a Mega-Awakening would feature a 2T at least as intense as the Boom Awakening.  I would expect that either the 1T  would have rather interesting to offer.  Possibly a renaissance of sorts.  As for 3T, at least a strong spiritual afterglow in early Unraveling.

The 2T of a Mega-2T wouldn't be as emotionally intense as the Boom Awakening necessarily if it were Apollonian in character. The Missionary Awakening was not emotionally intense, but it was intellectual in character. It focused far less on personal values and more on big social ideas than the Boom.

I consider the whole Great Power saeculum a 2T because it introduced new concepts like unionism, socialism and anarchism to the American scene which the mainstream of American life continues to define itself against. And I consider the whole of the Millennial saeculum an Unraveling because we have spent virtually all of it fighting against those Great Power saeculum ideas, first in the Cold War and then in the reactionary period following it. This entire epoch has been reactionary with respect to the Great Power's new anti-capitalist viewpoints; the coming Megacrisis will probably compel their adoption in the Megahigh of the 22nd century.
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RE: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008 - by Einzige - 07-28-2020, 12:03 PM

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