07-28-2020, 02:44 PM
(07-28-2020, 02:00 PM)Einzige Wrote:This intensity however could just as easily be an intellectual intensity as an emotive one.(07-28-2020, 01:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: A Mega-2T would have to feature an intense Awakening, just as you consider the mega-3T to have a longer and more characteristic 3T.
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No, an awakening is primarily spiritual.
Quote:The Missionary Awakening was probably our most intellectually driven Awakening in American history. There was real debate on the anti-capitalist Left in that period in a way that there simply was not in the Boom.Awakening: in other words, there was more real content on the Missionary end of things than among the Boomers.
Your definition of content is restricted by your apparent conversion to Marxism. That's better than what I have seen from you before, but saying "content" is only about a debate over capitalism is false.
Quote:Quote:The socialist era is the second revolution of modern times. It began before the civil war, but expanded during the great power awakening or missionary awakening.
To the contrary, we have not yet entered a socialist period. The working-class has not abolished capitalism.
True, the socialist revolution is unfinished. But it must be synthesized with the previous revolution now, because without democracy and human rights socialism failed miserably and was worse than what preceded it. And it must be combined with the green movement because otherwise socialist industry destroys the Earth and dehumanizes life. And there is no working class anymore; the class structure is different now and most people are not in it.
Quote:That doesn't matter. The cyclic connections demonstrate its truth.Quote:However, an unravelling is not a period in which the people (or "we" as you put it) fight against the previous Awakening. Although I admit that among Generation X, there was a strong tendency to do that. Nevertheless, archetypally the unravelling is a period in which the ideas of the Awakening are fought over and further developed. It is not a period only of resistance to the previous turning.
The Unraveling is definitely a period in which the concepts of the Awakening are stymied and resisted. And the entire Millennial saeculum has been one massive reaction against socialism, the idea of the Great Power saeculum. Literally from the word go, from 1946, socialism and Communism were vilified and attacked Right and Left (the individualist hippies had little time for the Old Left).
Quote:And our saeculum has not spent all its energy fighting against socialism and socialist-anarchism. In its 2T, it expanded social government to a large degree in the Great Society, and saw the birth of movements as significant as those of the previous saeculum: principally the green movement and environmentalism, upon which all of our future society must be based, but also the ideal of ending war, and a much greater dedication to respecting diversity and freedom among races, genders and religions. John Lennon's song kind of summed it up, he being a member of the visionary war-baby group that includes Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden.
(A) Welfare capitalism is not socialism. Socialism is the abolition of production for exchange and the inauguration of production for use as the generalized mode of production within society. And too the Great Society took place amidst the backdrop of the War in Vietnam- a war against socialism.
(B) The Boom Awakening counterculture was ultra-individualistic and by no means had any real anti-capitalist commitments. Even Bernie Sanders is simply a social democrat - his policies would leave production for exchange untouched.
Quote:Our era seems like a mega unravelling to Generation X because our unravelling was long and our 4T is mild. But this was entirely due to astrology and the planetary cycles, and to major sudden catalytic events. A Uranus-Pluto conjunction can't be denied. It disrupts and transforms. So when it happened between 1963 and 1969, it cut the strong 1T off at only 18 years, starting with JFK's sudden death. The following 2T during this conjunction was so intense that it was burned out toward the end and only lasted 20 years. And the previous 4T ended too soon because of Hitler's western invasion in December 1944, so the entire saeculum began too early. The cycle is just slowing down and catching up, that's all. The saeculum must be about 82-84 years, because the planetary returns that define it won't be denied. So we won't be through with this one until after the Uranus Return in 2027.
I don't believe in astrology.
Socialism just became passe, when it was not resisted. The hippies ignored it because it no longer answered the needs of the time, which were for quality of life, not just survival. Socialism only answers material needs. That is not enough on which to build any life, culture or civilization. You Einzige still need the Awakening.
"Socialism is the abolition of production for exchange and the inauguration of production for use as the generalized mode of production within society." I'm not sure what you mean by this "mode." A totally collectivized society, if that's what you mean, is a pipe dream as fully as it was in the 1840s. It can never be established. The attempt to establish it by revolutionary coercion created monsters. Capitalism has been a foundation for civilization for 4000 years.
That's a good point about the War in Vietnam, but the salient point about that war was that 1) it failed, and 2) it was resisted. Resistance to that war virtually created the Third Revolution! That war itself discredited wars against socialism forever. The Cold War ended, and socialism as you describe it faded away and doesn't really exist anymore, and can't be resurrected by revolution or by any other means. There is no trend now at all toward abolishing capital. Socialism only exists now as social programs. Exchange can never be abolished, even if one tries to establish it as happening within a collective. Every breath you take is "exchange." That's what life is. That's ecology; that's the new organizing principle. It preserves the value of the individual and the collective at the same time. The only way forward now is synthesis.
Quote:Quote:A mega 2T would also strongly emphasize new spiritual movements and new religions. These did occur in the missionary awakening, as they do in all awakenings. But the rest of the seaculum was very materialist and outward oriented. You can't make that into a mega-awakening just by saying a revolutionary movement occurred. Revolutionary movements define the entire modern age, not one saeculum. The Consciousness Revolution 2T brought in the spiritual and holistic new age culture, which is the basis for all the counter-cultures and cultural creatives that will continue to develop in our new world civilization.Religion and spiritualism are now reactionary with respect to the movement against the dominant civilization. The real content of Awakenings is this movement, socialism.
Quote:Just because Generation X has been so unusually cynical and resentful of Boomers, does not erase what has been born. But Generation X now needs to fulfill its role as pragmatic managers of the crisis, and help the other generations put our new saeculum on a sound and sustainable basis. It can only do that by accepting and working with the Awakening ideas of the Consciousness Revolution, the Green Revolution and the Green New Deal. It can't be based on Reaganomics, nor on its Marxist opposite alone. And Generation X can also recall its own spiritual awakening in the circa 1990 period, and build its spiritual life and feeling of communion on it. No new civilization today can be based on materialism/physicalism, because it denies the source of all life. All civilizations that are sustainable must be based on spirit.
Your practical vision extends as far as Green Capitalism and no further, because you greatly overemphasize the spiritual and cultural components of historical movements while understating the material aspect
No civilization which is sustainable can be based on capitalism. It can at best mitigate its environmental destruction by selling a "Green" lifestyle- photovoltaic cars, tiny homes, &etc. This is insufficient to do more than slow down environmental degradation.
Quote:We are now in a post-industrial, ecologically-based civilization. This began in the sixties, and so did the Information Age.
This is the prevailing dogma, but it's incorrect. There was no massive change in the mode of production since the 1960s; it is still based on the exploitation of surplus value and the money-commodity-money chain. Capitalism exists as it has existed. The "Information Age" has at best introduced new methods of social control and increased the tempo of productivity within capitalism. And this is all.
The "dogma" is correct, and it's far more up to date than going back to Marx. If you survey the landscape of civilization, you find that the factories have been abandoned and its work style gone. Work now must be smart work. Capitalism continues, but your equation of capitalism and industrialism is false. Since the sixties, the major turning point of our times, it is the machine itself that is the oppressor. Remember Mario Savio's words. Revolution now is people power pushing against a machine to make it stop unless we're free. The information age allows revolutions to be mobilized more quickly. I don't believe it is a cure all and is not without flaws, but the mode of production and organization of society is quite different now than what it was in the days of the assembly line. Knowledge and creativity is at more of a premium now than obedience, time clocks and schedules.
No capitalist calculations and values can omit any longer any effects on the environment and the climate. Life is the foundation of life; we can't destroy life and hope to survive. Industry was based on fossil fuels. Green civilization must be based on renewables. False propaganda that says this is not sufficient serves only the interests of materialistic industrial-age Capital.
Quote:Man cannot live on the Word alone, but on bread grown from the ground. I find your spiritualism Idealistic and your emphasis on the Information Age misinformed.
I prefer Jesus' formulation, thanks anyway
Idealism precedes materialism, always and forever. Cynical determinism always fails, because it has no life and no consciousness.The ground is correct. But the ground, the Earth, and living beings that it grows, are alive, not materialistic and thus dead. Efficient cause and effect from past to future is not life! And life cannot be explained by mechanical cause and effect at all. Life is now. It is creative and spontaneous. A civilization based on taking over industry is no longer sufficient. Production must be based on ecological principles. In an ecology, everything is interdependent and alive. It is not based on death and on domination of one class or species over another.