(07-28-2020, 02:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: No, an awakening is primarily spiritual.
Eh? This is very far removed from the truth. The double rhythm of Apollonian and Dionysian Awakenings is pretty well established by now.
Quote:Your definition of content is restricted by your apparent conversion to Marxism. That's better than what I have seen from you before, but saying "content" is only about a debate over capitalism is false.
To be sure, the Missionary Awakening had other content as well, such as the genesis of the Fundamentalist/Modernist controversy in American Christianity. But its real action occurred on the anti-capitalist Left.
Quote:True, the socialist revolution is unfinished.
The actual revolution has not yet occurred. Wealth redistribution is not socialism- indeed, capitalism requires redistribution in one form or another; Marx calls this "primary" or "primitive accumulatiom". Capital is not self-starting.
[Qupte]But it must be synthesized with the previous revolution now, because without democracy and human rights socialism failed miserably and was worse than what preceded it.[/quote]
Socialism was not attained in the Soviet Union. What existed - State capitalism - was an improvement upon Czarist feudalism.
Quote:And it must be combined with the green movement because otherwise socialist industry destroys the Earth and dehumanizes life.
Socialism is labor abolitionist. Fordist industrialism belongs to capitalism.
Quote:And there is no working class anymore; the class structure is different now and most people are not in it.
Horseshit. Even white collar brain workers are proletarians.
Quote:That doesn't matter. The cyclic connections demonstrate its truth.
It's pure ideology.
Quote:Socialism just became passe, when it was not resisted. The hippies ignored it because it no longer answered the needs of the time, which were for quality of life, not just survival. Socialism only answers material needs. That is not enough on which to build any life, culture or civilization. You Einzige still need the Awakening.
Those hippies took up careers within the capitalist machine which were more simpatico with their new values.
Adam Curtis demonstrates this at length in his Century of the Self miniseries, and in particular the third episode- Capital found that the new lifestyles created by the Boomer Awakening were marketable, and so set about to incorporate them into itself.
Quote:I'm not sure what you mean by this "mode." A totally collectivized society, if that's what you mean, is a pipe dream as fully as it was in the 1840s. It can never be established. The attempt to establish it by revolutionary coercion created monsters.A fully collectivized society is the ultimate product of capitalism, which interconnects the world and men more every year..socialism is the product of capitalism.
Quote:Capitalism has been a foundation for civilization for 4000 years.
Try 400.
Quote:That's a good point about the War in Vietnam, but the salient point about that war was that 1) it failed, and 2) it was resisted. Resistance to that war virtually created the Third Revolution! That war itself discredited wars against socialism forever.
Then what was Grenada?
Quote:The Cold War ended, and socialism as you describe it faded away and doesn't really exist anymore, and can't be resurrected by revolution or by any other means. There is no trend now at all toward abolishing capital. Socialism only exists now as social programs.
Social programs are not socialist. They exist to facilitate the money-commodity-money cycle by putting money into the hands of the poor and turning them into consumers.
Quote:Exchange can never be abolished, even if one tries to establish it as happening within a collective. Every breath you take is "exchange." That's what life is. That's ecology; that's the new organizing principle. It preserves the value of the individual and the collective at the same time. The only way forward now is synthesis.
Exchange as generalized commodity production for exchange, as the dominant mode of production within society, however, can and must be abolished.
Quote:The "dogma" is correct, and it's far more up to date than going back to Marx.
Marx himself anticipated networked capitalism. Read Fragment on Machines from the Grundrisse.
Quote:you survey the landscape of civilization, you find that the factories have been abandoned and its work style gone. Work now must be smart work. Capitalism continues, but your equation of capitalism and industrialism is false. Since the sixties, the major turning point of our times, it is the machine itself that is the oppressor. Remember Mario Savio's words. Revolution now is people power pushing against a machine to make it stop unless we're free. The information age allows revolutions to be mobilized more quickly. I don't believe it is a cure all and is not without flaws, but the mode of production and organization of society is quite different now than what it was in the days of the assembly line. Knowledge and creativity is at more of a premium now than obedience, time clocks and schedules.
Again,you badly need to re-read Marx. Especially "Fragment on Machines". Marx anticipated the emergence of a General Intellect and the transition to networked production. This isn't se unforeseen development which invalidates Marx.