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I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
(08-08-2020, 01:26 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(08-08-2020, 10:50 AM)Mikebert Wrote: If you think global warming is going to be the focus in 2100, have I a bridge to sell you. GW is a focus of THIS crisis era. Just because we are choosing not to focus on that (or anything else) doesn't mean GW's time is in the future. It just means today is not a time of focus on problems (i.e. its still a 3T in mood).  It's just as nastier Russian-style 3T, but not yet a 4T.

I am inclined to think Biden if elected will try to undo all the damage Trump did.  Part of it would be reinstating the global warming treaties.  The economy will be a mess.  I am not confident that he will go beyond the currently planned half measures.  Still, if building infrastructure will help the economy by putting people to work for the common good, it could be part of things.

A major part of what is going on is accepting the science in making government policy.  I feel fairly sure of the half measures at least.

Come the awakening, I anticipate the new prophets will yell about the global warming issue if they stick to half measures in the crisis... big time.  I am not sure this crisis will see as much attention as global warming deserves, but come the 2T?  Can the problem be addressed by protest, non violence and legislation, a pattern set by the 1960s awakening?  I concur that it won't be delayed as long as the next crisis.

I will credit COVID as being a true trigger, not a catalyst.  I do see the Black Lives Matter issue rising to a similar crisis level.  It is not clear that other issues will be drawn in given the economic hardships of the time.  A third trigger?  Last time around we had an economic and a military phase during the crisis prophet - nomad - civic generational alignment.  Two I quite believe.  A third?  I will wait a bit until it happens.  I'm not sure that it will, but it might.

Waiting for the Awakening for solving problems is not a good prophecy. Awakenings are inspirational. They bring out the protests. They lay out what needs to be done. They are generally the times of taking half-measures. But getting things done is the province of 4Ts. So, we get it done sufficiently to sustain our civilization in this 4T, or it never gets done. How much are "half measures" I'm not sure. But we must shift society, and turn the corner. Whatever the trigger is, the meat of the crisis remains basically two fold, as it has been for at least 12 years already: the national divide, and climate change. These issues have been "drawn in" already. Just curing the pandemic will not accomplish anything of what was set for us to accomplish by the 1960s-70s Awakening. Pandemics were not a big sixties item. But pollution and climate change was put on the agenda then, as was our national divide, and the race issue too.

I have predicted that come circa 2029-2030 we will be debating whether we have entered a 1T, just as we have continually discussed whether and when we became 4T. Things are a bit fuzzy this time about turning timings, just as they were two saecula ago.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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RE: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008 - by Eric the Green - 08-08-2020, 10:20 PM

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