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I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
(08-09-2020, 01:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(08-08-2020, 10:52 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: In the last 2T we were concerned with dirty water.  We built a lot of sewage treatment plants near big cities.  Global Warming wasn't a big issue yet.  I anticipate the next big push to be in the 2T again.  

The global warming issue was brought up though in the 2T. It intensified in the 3T, but all along the issue of ecology in all its aspects and the dangers of industry were central to the 60s/70s 2T. Global warming is just an extended effect of the same lifestyle and the same effects of industry that the 2T brought up as something to move beyond.

From the Wiki global warming page...

Wiki Wrote:The global warming problem came to international public attention in the late 1980s. Due to confusing media coverage in the early 1990s, issues such as ozone depletion and climate change were often mixed up, affecting public understanding of these issues. Although there are a few areas of linkage, the relationship between the two is weak.

This confirms my view that global warming problem did not begin to come into the public attention until well after the height of the awakening.  Other elements of pollution, sure, but awareness of global warming grew with the unraveling, becoming part of the political division.

(08-09-2020, 01:20 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: No movement? It has been going on throughout the 4T and before. We just had big climate marches. The covid is naturally fron and center now, but which issue is at the top fluctuates. If Biden is elected, I expect the pandemic to be handled within a year. If Democrats can win the senate and overcome Republican resistance, then we can see the end of Reaganomics of the last 40 years and return to a society that helps its people.

There have been protests, sure, but not the real action that I am looking for.  I agree that COVID and Reaganomics could be handled with about a year of Biden, and  then we will see how decisively he goes at the rest of the blue agenda.  

I am just falling into the trap of being disappointed in advance.  I expect hardly more action than was achieved in Obama's first few years, when the Democrats had a majority in both houses of Congress and the White House and was focusing on health care.  Biden is just too establishment.  He has to give more than campaign promise support to the global warming question.  If he does, great, but I will not give him points until he actually acts.
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RE: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008 - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-09-2020, 01:50 PM

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