I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008

[David Horn]

(08-09-2020, 03:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 02:05 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-09-2020, 02:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I expect due to my reading of the cycles that a progressive era is due. So I hope we get the leadership we need. We'll see if Biden and the people alike are willing to embrace our destiny in this decade. We might not, but we might see more change than we expect or even bargain for. That happens in 4Ts.

We can certainly hope.  Prior 4Ts have produced results far greater than anyone anticipated going in.  For that reason I traditionally think big.

But I am having trouble working up enthusiasm for Biden doing more than he already did given the chance.

I hope Trump is right that Biden is becoming a tool of the hard left. At least we know he's listening to Bernie and Elizabeth. I'm not enthusiastic for Biden either when you get right down to it. It will depend more on how the people respond and how they push him and in which direction, the liberal or the "classic" direction.

The Trumpian 'tool' language is intended to stop anything resembling change by making it unacceptable.  Of course, Trump-change is fine!  Just ask him.