02-26-2021, 08:52 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-26-2021, 08:56 AM by Captain Genet.)
(02-26-2021, 04:28 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: 1. Which Roosevelt? Is it Franklin, Theodore, or Eleanor? Which Bush? '41` or '43'?
Franklin D. Roosevelt and George W. Bush.
Quote:2. Except for the Inclusivist region, those closest to the edges of the disk seem involved either in mass murder or support ideologies that can result in mass murder.
Antifa is also capable of committing mass murder. Rajneesh's followers engaged in terrorism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajne...ror_attack
Quote:I see Ayn Rand standing for an ideology potentially as murderous as Marxism-Leninism due to the potential lethality of its contempt for the poor who are at the complete mercy of an economic elite devoid of any responsibility to any but themselves individually.
In contrast to the fringes the people closest to the center are most like each other, and most likely to make compromises that offer good for good. Someone like MLK or Gandhi may be as devout as any theocrat but is likely to see the devoutness of people from another religious tradition as equally legitimate in devotion.
3. Figures of antiquity (Tutankhamen, Moses, Plato, Confucius, Caesar, Paul (arguably more important in determining what Christianity is than Jesus Himself) Mohammed, and even early modernity (Huss, Luther, Shakespeare, Calvin, Hobbes, Locke) are hard to place.
I agree with all of that. Mohammed, Moses, Abraham would be in the outer parts of the theocratic sector. Plato and Confucius could be called philosophocrats, and treated as honorary theocrats, since their doctrines also wanted to legislate absolute morality. Contemplative philosophy such as Platonism can be as harmful as religion for the individual, but it doesn't harm society as much because there are no philosophers' militias. Still Platonism influenced Christianity and is responsible for its contempt for sex and the body.
Plutocracy is too loaded to use as a name for the Yellow sector, for the same reason Communism is too loaded to serve as a good name for the Red sector.
Quote:Significantly missing are leaders of the Suffragette movement on your disc.
Where would you put them?
Quote:There are 'persons of interest' not on this disk, but obviously they might be rather close to others. I see Nicholas II of Russia and Donald Trump near the outer edge of the pro-market (really 'Plutocratic' zone) because their ideologies led to mass death even if such was unintended. Maybe Nicolas II would be toward the theocratic zone and Trump toward the middle of the plutocratic zone. Both killed more through negligent homicide than through intentional genocide.
Trump and his neoreactionary guru Bannon, along with the founder of neoreaction Mencius Moldbug would be close to Ayn Rand, and simultaneously somewhere near Putin. In a similar vein the "True Leftist" movement would be extreme Inclusivism and simultaneously left-wing Nationalism.
Quote:Cultural figures may have more lasting relevance than political figures. It is hard to discuss modern literature without discussing Sigmund Freud (seemingly every good writer now 'psychoanalyzes' his characters, which would be as true of Boris Pasternak as of Ernest Hemingway. Earlier versions of this disk might place Beethoven or Wagner, Rockwell or Picasso, Kerouac or Kipling, or Orwell or Limbaugh.
I only recall including Wagner. He was in the nationalist zone.