05-09-2021, 01:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-09-2021, 01:13 AM by Eric the Green.)
(05-09-2021, 12:34 AM)Dustinw5220 Wrote: Oh I'm sure we'll go too far with our current obsession with technology over the next 70 years (in fact, for the past decade or so, I thought we were already getting a bit too obsessed), after all the solutions offered in a 4T Crisis almost always lead to their own problems later on (usually in the next saeculum). Still, I hope some of the benefits/positive things about the Information Age will still be preserved into the next 1T and future saeculums, even when tech progress finally stops (I can still see the merit in Technology when it's actually used for a real purpose that benefits mankind, and not just for it's own sake). It's probably safe to assume the sudden computer crash in June 2090 will be the official mood shift into the 4T, yes (it certainly already feels like the historical parallel to both the crashes of 1929 and 2008)?
No, I haven't officially got your book yet (I have looked at various samples of it on Amazon, at least when they were available), but I still hope/plan to eventually. I just don't know yet if I'm actually going to buy it or just eventually on to e-books (if I did that, I would get access to all kinds of good books/literature).
This sounds like as good a thread as any to discuss this, but how much would say you know about previous saeculums? The reason I ask is I feel like S&H did a good job of describing the overall turnings (and generations) in them, they never bothered to go in quite as much detail about them as our own saeculum (though I suppose that's understandable as they didn't live in those times). Like, what would you say the overall eras/turnings of the Civil War and Great Power saeculums like and what caused the mood shifts in them? I feel like the summary for the 1794-1865 saeculum in particular could be a bit more coherent, especially since S&H got most of the dates the turnings occurred in it wrong (for instance, the 'Era of Good Feelings' era they talked about occurred after 1815, when the 1T was already much over). S&H's start date of 1822 leaves out seven whole years of the Awakening, and the 3T really should have began with the Manifest Destiny era circa 1834, while the onset of the 4T should have been the conclusion of the Mexican War (and all the problems that caused) in 1850 (I mean, I know S&H describe the 1850s as a major 3T decade when really it was a 4T decade and they SHOULD have been talking about the 1840s). Also, how would you characterize the early part of the 1908-1929 3T before WW1 (it seems like an event as tragic as the Titanic in particular should have coincided with a major astrology conjunction)?
My book is also available as an e-book for less money; quite a bargain really
Did you get those dates for the 1794-1865 saeculum turnings from me? In any case, those are the dates I chose too. Some people like Chas Donald have said that the saeculum should be seen as starting in the 1780s, smoothing out the dates so this and the previous saeculum have a similar length. I suppose it will always be a bit uncertain. I see that 1794-1865 saeculum as one in which the civil war enabled the saeculum to go entirely modern and faster by reducing the power of the left-over medieval southern section that held it back. Alas, a lot of its backward ways continued after Reconstruction, and still do today; thus again we have a cold civil war.
There were indeed some hard aspects and a Mars-Pluto conjunction going on the day the Titanic sunk, but I don't look upon it as very historic in the sense of influencing moods and trends; more of an isolated event. The early part of that 3T did have some very powerful and tense cosmic squares among the slow, gigantic planets, quite "titanic" in fact, which presaged what was coming, and coincided with the Bosnian Crisis in October 1908 that was the direct start of the sequence of events that exploded into war in 1914. In the early 3T, as in the early part of the most recent one, the Awakening cultural trends continued, but got more frantic in 1908-1914, and all the trends were like a spiral of increasing intensity that led to the explosion, which itself broke the back of the great modern new beginning of circa 1892 and the 2T and left disillusion in its wake. Still, some aspects of our new global civilization continued to develop. We can't seem to get traction though, even today. We still live in cynicism and materialism despite the amazing opportunities, tools and knowledge available to us.