05-31-2021, 12:10 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-31-2021, 12:23 AM by Eric the Green.)
(05-28-2021, 11:33 PM)X Marks the Spot Wrote: OK, but given what S&H say about the way generations work, and how good the authors' track record is, maybe there are some Millennials who are protesting for liberal causes but they're outliers for their generation? S&H say every generation contains all sorts of people. There are GI's like William Burroughs, tehre are Silents like John Ashcroft, there are Xers like Reese Witherspoon. So there can be Millennials who are "lefty" types but they can be in the "suppressed" group, acting against what's at the core of their generation.The outliers are those who are NOT for liberal causes. Liberals are the core of their generation. Every poll shows that.
Quote:Maybe Obama won because he spoke of "common purpose"? The whole idea of getting with the program.
And yeah, maybe Hillary and Trump were both Establishment in a way. But if Millennials had really gone for anti-establishment, boat-rocking candidates, then given how high Millennial turnout is, Bernie Sanders would be beginning his second term today.
The Millennials supported Bernie, but not in great enough numbers to overcome the huge primary-election Boomer and Xer vote for Joe Biden. Obama did speak of a common purpose. Millennials are like those who supported FDR and his common purposes.
One thing noticable about Millennials; up until recently they were not living up to their civic potential. They copied and conformed to the cynicism toward government of their boomer and Xer elders, and failed to vote in midterm and primary elections. Not being well-educated about civics, they don't realize that civic duty consists of more than voting for the president. Millennials are not reliable voters, at least not yet. They did better in 2018, but they didn't get out and vote in great enough numbers in 2020 to get Bernie elected. Maybe some of them were also pessimistic that he could win, and gave up on him.
Quote:OK, I'm not denying that Generation Jones has conservative, even neocon tendencies, but you gotta admit, Jeb sounds like the perfect Millennial choice for president: both conservative AND very Establishment.
Well maybe, but he flopped big time. The perfect millennial candidate will be a progressive Democrat, but progressives support the common purposes of society; they are not libertarians like Xers.
Quote:Don't forget that it was Bush himself who created ICE. I don't want my 6-year-old Homelander son or 4-year-old Homelander daughter to be murdered by an illegal immigrant.
That's true; W. Bush started it. Don't worry about illegal immigrants though; they are more law-abiding than the average US citizen. Trump created lots of lies; you can't believe anything he says. ANYTHING.
Quote:The thing is, we're still a chaotic country. We have chaos in 4T's, it's part of the package. We need all the law and order we can get in a time like this; it's not like we're in the Awakening or the High.
We need social and political movements. It's happening all over the world. Tyranny is horrible, and the people don't like it. Especially young people. Call it chaos if you like, but it is a movement for justice, without which there can be no law and order. Only when the progressives win will there be a new consensus and a new order, and not one moment before.
Quote:Did you read S&H's 2003 article in Axess? They say Millennials want "stability, not radicalism".
I just don't conclude from one writer's statement that all of anybody thinks a certain way. Millennials are a huge generation. Some are radical and some are stable. Sometimes there no difference between the two. Some think that some radical ideas will create stability, like for example the fact millennials are so cash-strapped because of college debt, high prices and low salaries and wages. So they support "radical" policies like Bernie's ideas about free college and higher minimum wages and higher taxes on the wealthy, or Yang's idea of universal basic income, and stuff like that. Pretty radical, but the goal is stability and security (including greater social security). Marijuana legalization has been happening throughout the 4T. It is no longer a radical idea, and shouldn't be.
Quote:I'm not a young white man, I'm a Gen-Xer born in 1974. I am a middle-aged straight white man.
The point is that young white male millennials support Trump by a narrow margin, but all other millennials support progressive Democrats by wide margins. You being a core Xer straight white man are the conservative one, and you are projecting your own views onto the millennials. Polls show it is the Xers who are the conservatives; your own core Xer groups, and the younger "Jones" boomers, plus the oldest boomers and silents.
