06-17-2021, 04:04 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-17-2021, 04:07 PM by Eric the Green.)
(06-17-2021, 08:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:(06-16-2021, 12:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(06-16-2021, 12:09 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(06-16-2021, 09:15 AM)David Horn Wrote:(06-15-2021, 05:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Georgia and the LA times might as well be in different countries, for how much they understand each other.
I would agree that large swaths of Georgia and LA are in different countries, but Atlanta and LA aren't that different.
Both states are divided. It wasn't that long ago that CA was a red state. Both have large cities and large rural areas. It is just that now Atlanta and other urban areas are beginning to turn Georgia blue. The two states illustrate as well as anything the problem of dividing America geographically.
The problem seems to be that large parts of rural red America seem to prefer racism to democracy. Before the George Floyd killings, they had a decisive enough advantage to hold the country. It was racist organizations that put a violent edge to the January 6 insurrection. It was people fed up with racist organized murder that gave Biden the decisive edge to win the 2020 election. I do not see the rural racist folk getting hold of the elections again. They are making a game of it still, but the court cases are in limbo. I don't see the Big Lie holding us in limbo indefinitely.
I hope you are right. Trump only lost by 43,000 votes, and I am not sure about the 2022 midterms either. Democrats need to win them if there is to be timely and effective reforms made during the decade in which it is time to make them. I hope they bring Trump to Court before the midterms. It should not be cause for delay.
It's a worldwide miasma that's gripping democracies everywhere. Far too many people see their chance to succeed evaporating, and they blame the easiest targets: the poor and powerless. Here it's race. In other countries it's religion or ethnicity. In all countries it's the modern capitalist system.
Yes, there are more Blues than Reds, but the Reds feel under siege. Expect every dirty trick in the book -- and some not written. Just look elsewhere for clues on just how far this can go. The large swaths of social conservatives see this time as existential. I doubt the progressives are as motivated.
I agree that 2022 will tell the tale. Will the miscreants in the GOP succeed in stealing (yes, that's the right word) elections by then? They are certainly trying. If stasis prevents Federal legislation to overturn most of the meddling, then assume 2024 will be crisis in brief.
2022 will be crucial for a successful 4T, but if the Republicans win, the 4T won't be over. Biden will run for re-election and probably win (or at least I hope so; if Kamala is nominated she will lose). So assuming Biden wins again in 2024 then there's 4 more years in which the blue side can carry the day. These days, progressives are more and more motivated. But I agree, the reds feel under siege and we can't underestimate the lengths to which they are already demonstrating they will go.
That's why it's a battle. The confederates felt the same way. The blues were less motivated then too, but like us they were the majority, and they prevailed, and I predict that today's blues will also prevail. But it shows what a fight we truly have on our hands. That just means that the 4T isn't over; not that we have already lost, or even that if we lose in 2022 we will have lost the battle.
But then, I have some faith that the Uranus Return to its degree position in the USA horoscope will still be significant, as it was so significant in the past. It marks the crisis climax, as in 1776, 1861 and 1944, to the degree, and marked the previous crises in the 1690s and 1608 too, and it is not due until 2027. And there's no reason to believe the saeculum is speeding up and can be prematurely cut off just because things still look dark. Mr. Howe doesn't think so. The archetypal 84-year length of a human life, the basis for both cycles, has not changed.