07-07-2021, 02:19 PM
(07-07-2021, 01:26 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote:(07-07-2021, 08:25 AM)sbarrera Wrote:(07-06-2021, 05:13 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote:(07-05-2021, 09:41 AM)sbarrera Wrote:(07-05-2021, 05:42 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: It is socially left wing. Maybe it isn't fiscally left wing. The SJWs are for porn. Most abortion is not in those cases though. Most abortion is simply because a woman finds the baby inconvenient or in the future it will be because the baby isn't "normal" when we can test fetal neurology. What about the suffering the baby goes through?
There is literally a link here to a feminist site filled with articles condemning pornography. So how can you say that "SJWs are for porn?" Also, I bet you a big percentage of the participants at a MAGA rally are into porn. There's a lot of libertarian sentiment on that side - old Boomers and GenXers who are still into sex, drugs and rock n' roll.
The point of the "consensus list" isn't to say that either SJWs or MAGAs are having their way, but that as a whole we're approaching some kind of resolution of these issues. And I do agree with what pbrower posted, about all the harmful effects of pornography. I don't think it's good that it's become accepted, just noting that it has.
But if things resolve to go your way you win and if things resolve to go another you lose. Libertarians are socially all over the board and fiscally conservative most of the time. People can have mixes of views where one view is socially liberal and another view is socially conservative.
Acceptance doesn't matter much at the end of the day though, power and executive orders do. Covid has taught me that many rules can be enforced against the public at will whether they like them or not and the people would mostly follow it. Enforced laws and rules change behavior more than anything. So if there were executive orders against most types of porn, it wouldn't matter what the public thought. They'd be dragged kicking and screaming but couldn't do as much because the government made them do it.
I'm not sure how executive orders to stop porn would work; the idea seems laughable since there would be so much resistance from the public. Orders to enforce non-medical intervention during Covid (mask wearing, social distancing) only *partially* worked and the death toll from Covid was much higher than it might have been if people had been more aware and willing to cooperate. And frankly, I think non-medical intervention worked as well as it did because a majority of people were willing to comply. Wearing a mask is easy compared to giving up an addiction.
AspieMillennial, I will take your enthusiasm for executive orders as one more sign of your generation's loss of faith in democracy.
https://app.hedgeye.com/insights/101497-...t-insights
You confuse willing to comply with forced to comply. The second restrictions are gone, nobody follows the old rules. It's only the law that keeps it going for many places.
Yes people are addicted. So what? Why should I have to wait 30 years for some movent to come around that will just create social taboos but not ban anything? Yes cuckold and incest porn should be banned. So should many other genres.
This will force a break in the addiction. Yes I don't have faith in democracy. My views are a minority in my generation so executive orders are the only realistic option.
If Generation X is in charge, it might tolerate a rising debt in survival mode, but one society is no longer in a survival mode, as in most of a 1T, then Generation X will (like the Lost) tend to reduce reliance upon, if not pay off, debt. See also the Gilded, which although in many ways were Civic after the Civil War, remained Reactive in fiscal policy, even paying off the public debt of the American Civil War through high tariffs. Debt has become almost as filthy a word as the f-word for copulation and the f-word for extreme-right politics.
What will constitute conservatism will change from the neoliberal economics and angry populism that melded in an incongruous, and ultimately shaky, composite. Figure that Barack Obama adopted many conservative characteristics (insistence upon protocol and precedent, acceptance of hierarchy of achievement, recognition of the validity of tradition even if such implies the acceptance of multiple traditions at once with no expectation of quick merger). Donald Trump threw those away because he associated those with Obama; by doing so he showed how good a President Obama was as a portent of the 1T and how awful Trump was. To be sure, Obama is more typical of the sort of leader that Americans end up with after the Crisis is over instead of when the Crisis is in full swing... but I see him more like Eisenhower than like any other President even if of opposite Parties, great difference in age, and huge differences in curricula vitae.
We may be headed to a social-market economy which maximizes the equity of socialism with the opportunity of free-market capitalism. So what gets shoved aside? Crony capitalism, essentially "socialism for the rich and connected" as Big Government can enforce the will of entrenched elites. The Right cast off libertarianism except to endorse monopolies and cartels and perhaps (had the opportunity arisen) some war for profits that turns into an apocalypse.
OK, now for the juicy stuff: pornography has always been suspect at best. It has usually been male-oriented because it fits the desires of frustrated men who either live in an all-male environment (ships, logging camps, prisons), are far from their spouse (traveling salesmen, and until rather recently long-haul truckers -- in recent times husband-and-wife teams have become commonplace), or have a desire for sexuality that dehumanizes or brutalizes women. If I were a woman I would insist upon a porn-free household. I can imagine pornography becoming more commonplace during the Plague of Donald Trump (COVID-19).
Abortion? People disapprove of abortion until they find themselves or their loved ones in a condition in which an abortion is necessary for at the least the life or health (including mental and reproductive) of the female. That could be a sub-teen girl. Also, some pregnancies are hopeless.
I asked my mother one time if she would have aborted me if some test (none then existed, and none does now) showed that I would be a murderous sociopath like Ted Bundy or Oskar Dirlewanger. She said yes... and I accepted her response as the only valid one. (Check the link on Dirlewanger at your own risk, as he was not only a brutal Nazi war criminal but also a PERVERT, one of the most disgusting persons who has ever lived! He is disgusting even by the abysmal standards of Nazism). I would endorse the abortion of an infant who had no chance of becoming anything other than evil. Some genetic connection to personal evil exist, and we know what most rapists are.
......
By porn I speak not of the genteel stuff in which there is some effort to express the natural beauty of a nude body. It is probably true that fit girls of a certain age can look better without clothes than with them, or with very few clothes that might focus attention on... OK, if I had to tell a teenage girl about her vagina I would teach her that it is precious, wonderful, magnificent, and delicate, and certainly unsuited to abuse and exploitation. Porn is abuse and exploitation. There has been plenty of artistic nudity across the ages and across cultures. Such is not porn.
The fault with porn is that it usually disrespects women and ensures unsatisfying results for her should her partner try to enforce his fantasy upon her. Men tend to go numb during a heterosexual orgasm (I would never try to explain gay sex), so it is the woman who should be in command. It is her feelings and not his.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.