Unresolved end to saeculum possibility?

[David Horn]

(06-04-2022, 03:37 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: Is there a non-zero possibility that we get neither a good or bad ending to this 4T and just end up sliding into the next 1T with nothing resolved? Have a look at the lie-flat / other similar movements going on now. People are just losing hope and giving up. Prior 4Ts had clear wartime periods where society was upended and life afterwards was different to before. Climate change is a big threat but has already been ongoing since long before this present 4T. Not much is being done about it as of yet. The pandemic's early waves sure felt 4T but now nobody really cares about COVID anymore. Are our Millennial & Z generations just losing faith in the system or are we being actively blocked from pushing for change by say big oil/corporate America? Is it's the former, do we have prior examples of societies where the populace lost faith in their system but didn't care enough to push for change? Where did those societies end up? If we are indeed being blocked by big oil it looks like the problem should resolve itself but not until around the 2040s when society flips to having the majority having experienced the negatives of fossil fuel reliance & the car-centric US.

(06-05-2022, 12:21 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I have always predicted that the decisive period won't happen until the end of the 4T. So fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride through the rest of this decade when the 4T ends. We won't know that this prediction is coming true until 2025 when the decisive period begins. I hope it's not a nuclear ride, what with Putin threatening attack on NATO. But we are being blocked by the Republican representatives of big fossil fools, prejudice, ammosexuality and neoliberal ideology. I don't think this stalemate can continue past the 4T, although right now it looks like hopeless stalement forever.

It's hard to be certain of anything, but I'm more in the Failed 4T than Big Finale camp.  The very fact that we have siloed society to the point that many (most?) on the right are unaware of simple facts and, even more to the point, live in the "right" places in sufficient nyumbers to stymie any move to correct the problems they claim don't really exist (fake news, you know).  Short of a cataclysmic event that makes denial impossible, I don't see this getting rectified.  After all, we're having mass shootings at a rate of more than one a day, and the movement on gun control hasn't budged at all.  Short of a nuclear exchange (highly unlikely, in my opinion) nothing seems big enough to move the needle at all.

Today's youth have been the victims of this from day one.  Perhaps they can muster the will to do something ... anything!  If so, it won't be until they have the undeniable power to override the Boomers and Xers still creating the mess we're in.