"Anti-Nationalist Civics"....What?

[JasonBlack]

(07-08-2022, 05:54 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: Maybe it's time for a civic generation that is cosmopolitan.

I can see why you would say this, but imo, it is unlikely for reasons listed below. With that said, I'm not against being cosmopolitan (quite the opposite. I have great respect for men of culture). I also don't think these things have to be mutually exclusive. I consider myself a "libertarian nationalist". Part of the reason I am a nationalist is precisely because I love traveling to other countries and experiencing their culture. I want all kinds of countries to be proud of their culture, because I want people in those countries to be inspired to keep doing what their country does best. I want 
- Japan to keep producing the best anime and sushi
- Italy to keep producing the best opera 
- Taiwan to keep producing the best tea
- France to keep producing the best cheese
- Ukraine to keep producing the best music 
and, in our case
- the US to keep producing the best entrepreneurs.

Quote:Many of the problems the USA faces are also faced elsewhere in the world. Climate change, vast income inequality, fascism/populism, and COVID-19 aren't restricted to just the US - they're found the world over. We can't expect to fix these in only one country and be fine.

Covid isn't a primary cause of the 4th turning to begin with. Imo, the causality here is backwards. For example, the Spanish Flu was a 3rd turning phenomenon (1918 to 1920), also affected the entire world and killed about 10 times as many people. Covid isn't causing a 4th turning, a 4th turning is causing our response to Covid.

Similarly, neither is climate change. I'm not saying it isn't real, only that Americans and Europeans haven't really been the ones feelings its negative effects. Climate change is more likely to be a 4th-turning-esque event in, say, the Philippines or Okinawa. The threat represented by global warming is a future threat. That doesn't make it unimportant, but it is not a primary contributor to higher, current levels of wealth inequality, dilapidated infrastructure, decreasing purchasing power and other issues that represent tangible poverty and physical danger.

That leaves the points I agree with you on: income inequality, fascism and populism (to which I've added a few above), and, just like individual countries had to defend their own territory during WWII, so must individual countries address the following issues in their own way (ie, Canada has little influence on corrupt fiscal policies in the US, India has little influence on crony lobbyists in Australia, Germany can't do much about Greece's terrible infrastructure, etc).

Interestingly, my previous post in another thread hit on this topic a bit. Movements of "universal brotherhood" are more common among idealists generations.
- zealous Puritans spreading God's word
- philosophic Awakening generation championing universal, inalienable rights
- Transcendentalist fighting wars to end slavery all around the world (England and France took this trend to a whole new level)
- Missionary-ing Missionaries
- both the hippie wing and the neocon wings of the Boomers