"Anti-Nationalist Civics"....What?

[David Horn]

(07-10-2022, 03:40 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(07-10-2022, 07:51 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(07-08-2022, 10:32 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(07-08-2022, 05:54 PM)nguyenivy Wrote: Maybe it's time for a civic generation that is cosmopolitan.

I can see why you would say this, but imo, it is unlikely for reasons listed below. With that said, I'm not against being cosmopolitan (quite the opposite. I have great respect for men of culture). I also don't think these things have to be mutually exclusive. I consider myself a "libertarian nationalist". Part of the reason I am a nationalist is precisely because I love traveling to other countries and experiencing their culture. I want all kinds of countries to be proud of their culture, because I want people in those countries to be inspired to keep doing what their country does best. I want 
- Japan to keep producing the best anime and sushi
- Italy to keep producing the best opera 
- Taiwan to keep producing the best tea
- France to keep producing the best cheese
- Ukraine to keep producing the best music 
and, in our case
- the US to keep producing the best entrepreneurs.

I can't speak very highly of your examples.  I would ceratinly have chosen others.  One stands out as demonstably false: Americ'a dominance in entrepeneurs.  If I asked: which countries produce the most business startups per capita?, that answer would be Sweden and Finland.  Why?  Because the cost of failure is low.  Having a failed business will not deatroy a person or, worse, a family financially.  Given that, it's worth taking the shot -- moreso than here.

Tell me more about all those world famous Swedish and Finnish companies....
Even with policies more favorable in some respects (which is debatable), Scandanavia just...doesn't have the culture of entrepreneurship. The ambition, the apatite for risk, the individualism. Between the two of them, I would probably give the edge to Finland though. The Finns are a proud, hearty race with more of a spine for conflict. Swedes are notoriously passive. Far too much so to be a culture that produces good entrepreneurs in any meaningful quantity.

OK, how about Nokia and Ericsson in the telecom space, Ikea in furniture, H&M in clothing, Skanska in constructon, ABB in energy, Scania in commercial vehicles, Volvo in personal ones, Electrolux in appliances, Atlas Copco in mining and drilling equipment, and I haven't even mentioned the big military contractors that build jets, submarines and just about all of the Nordic nations arms.  Note: most are Swedish, because the Finnish companies are big but less well known.  In any case, here's a list of Finnish companies, and one of Swedish companies.

Just for reference, neither of these countries is large in the populatiion sense.  Sweden has just over 10 Million, and Finalnd has just over 5.5 Million.  Together, they have fewer citizens than New York state ... by a lot!