"Climax" year of each turning

[Kinser79]

(05-16-2020, 11:25 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-16-2020, 10:30 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: As for the whole "progressivism is the way to go thing" for lack of a better term, you'll find the Boomers on here, and in particular the Blue ones, are blind to the fact that what is and is not progressive is determined after the fact.  History is after all written by the victors.

I would counter that the arrow of progress is real.  The debate between the two factions goes on through the unraveling and early crisis.  What the crises are is set long before the history books are written.  The conservatives just aren't thrilled to admit they are clinging to past privilege when they were wrong to do so.  Kings, slaves, and expansionist fascists had to go.  The government had to regulate the economy.  Science counts.  Clinging to the way things were has its limits.

Bob we've had this discussion before.  You are a Whig Historian and as such fall subject to the facilities they are susceptible to.  I'm sure that had Hitler won the war you'd have argued that the Jew Bolsheviks and or Jew Capitalists would have had to go too.

Rather what I see in the US currently is that the Blues aren't happy with the fact that they didn't get the Grey Champion they wanted.  Honestly Sanders really did have a chance but that was 2016--he was cheated out of a nomination and then worse cucked to Killary; he will never be taken seriously on the national stage again.  Instead we got one who would be Grey were it not for Bronzer and Hair Dye.  But I'm fine with an Orange Champion.

Also: Epstein didn't kill himself.