06-05-2020, 04:45 AM
(06-05-2020, 02:42 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote:(06-04-2020, 08:25 AM)Isoko Wrote: During the 1980s, amongst the Soviet youth there were three groups. Those who were fanatically loyal to Communism. Those who were starting to lose faith in the system but still believed that the Soviet system would endure. It had to pull through, right? Then you had the dissidents who were the minority. They were mainly underground and supported views such as Western democracy and what have you.
Like during the American awakening there were many "square" youths who supported GI ideals, loved big cars and suburban villas and supported the Vietnam War. Hippies and New Agers were the minority in the 60s, but their ideals were mainstreamed during the 3T, just as S&H theory wants.
Quote:But all I know is - you can only keep going left for so long until eventually the next pendulum has to swing back to the right in order to correct the problems associated with it.
To correct the present system we need to restore the ethical dimension of sanctity/purity (best exemplified by Christian conservatives) to balance the Millennial saeculum's ethics of care. The ethics of care have gone too far. This is the root of PC. You cannot say things that will make some sensitive minority member cry. No harsh truth allowed. But ethics of sanctity ceased to exist. People see nothing wrong with getting stoned, or having 100 sexual partners a year, if nobody gets harmed. But if you believe that (as Christians say) we are all temples of the Holy Spirit or (as Stapledon said) vessels of the cosmic mind, you don't think it's OK for a human being to be degraded this way. Christian extremism is not likely to be very popular during the 2T, but some will show and its revulsion against Millennial techno-hedonism will certainly influence the mainstream.
You want family values. I want them too, and think they will be restored in due time. During a 2T there is always some dislike for children and parenting, but an Apollonian Prophetic generation can go from ascetic celibacy during the 2T to exalting marriage during the 3T and 4T.
Myself, I don't care about the ethics of sanctity too much, as you define it. Being stoned may not be degrading in many cases, and may release anxiety. It is a matter of personal responsibility and moderation; self-care if you will. Why not have multiple sex partners if that's what you want? I don't care too much for family values, since family to me was just a suburban method of isolating and confining people. It's way too narrow as a type of human connection. But, I realize others value it, so it's a matter of to each his own, rather than "famla valyas" shoved down our throats by fundie-dementalists.
Christian conservatives are not good exemplars of anything whatsoever. Most of them don't even conceive of the Holy Spirit as pouring through vessels of the cosmic mind; their notion of religion is nothing more than obedience, EXclusivism, and superstition, plus right-wing politics of the worst sort that gave us Bush and Trumpturd.
PC can get tiresome. That's not a great evil, though. But caring for yourself and others is always good. It's just the golden rule. Sanctity is good too, but not as you define it. To hold something sacred is not much different from caring for it. It is to see something or someone's inherent value as being a manifestation and expression of God. To me, great religious art sanctifies religious experience, and that's a high value indeed.
It's a clever distinction, if you came up with it, so I salute you for that. Some of your predictions may not be off the mark too. Isoko's statement that implies we have gone too far left is ridiculous in the extreme. Laughable and deplorable.
The older notion that seems to me worthy of revival is not conservative Christianity, but virtue. Traditional Christianity and Renaissance humanism alike taught and propagated that notion, and it's embodied in esoteric philosophy and eastern philosophy too. The virtues are universal. The 7 main virtues are key stations on the spiritual hero's journey, and can be contacted in the 7 chakras within us. You can explore them through Bach's Toccata and the Tarot.
http://philosopherswheel.com/toccata.htm