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I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
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I am a white American male born in 1956. So I feel that I can comment on turnings in the United States.

First, I wouldn't start the 3T in 1980 or 2001. The early '80s were a cusp/transition period between 2T and 3T. In early '80s there was only a diluted sense of the Awakening. In hind sight, 3T characteristics growing in influence. People turning inward, concentrating on their own lives. Fading of (outwardly) expressed idealism.

The Indian summer of the cycle, after shift to 3T completed. The jittery tail end of the 3T, which in Seattle began in late '99 with the protests against the World Trade Organization.

I refer now to one of the archived threads, The Phony Fourth. A Phony Fourth is an intense, 4T like reaction to a perceived threat during 3T. For example, in 1919 the Palmer raids against suspected Communists. However, the anticipated Communist revolution of 1920 failed to materialize. And America returned to the Unraveling mood of the roaring twenties.

It has been suggested that the intense reaction to 9/11:

1. Occurred before a mature 4T generational constellation.

2. Resulted in a Phony Fourth.

However, America did not return to the mood of the Indian summer. Maybe it is too late after entering the jittery tail end of a 3T. Instead, we had this long limbo period. Which included several events that could be part of the cascade phase of early 4T....9/11...anthrax...Hurricane Katrina.... But, however, Iraq/Afghanistan were waged as 3T wars.

This limbo period has been strange enough to include a weirdness that has been called an Indian Autumn. (I believe that Eric the Green came up with that name). If one expects the harvest of the cycle during 3T, I likened the Indian Autumn to the brief period between harvest and the first snow. The Indian Autumn occurred when we should have already been in Winter.

And being past harvest, the only thing left was to scavenge off the past. Consider Pawn Stars, which debuted in 2009, and American Pickers, which debuted in 2010.
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RE: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008 - by Tim Randal Walker - 06-07-2020, 12:15 AM

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