I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008

[Bob Butler 54]

(06-20-2020, 12:57 PM)User3451 Wrote: I also see this as a culmination of the totality of the last saeculum.

Civil Rights. Awakening things like astrology and witches. Culture wars. Etc

The "left" is currently proving to be just as insane as the tea party.

I think that the great awokening  will (hopefully) burn out just like the tea party did, and in a few years well have some significant, systemic change and a more just society.

I too could do without astrology, witches and culture wars. However, I have rights as one of the primary elements of the arrow of progress - along with democracy and equality. I think the Great Awokening is pushing for all three things, and as such it could result in a “significant, systematic change and a more just society.”

It may just be what the people are demanding rather than what you want personally. As such, I do not see the blue agenda as particularly insane.

I also think the Tea Party was in some ways a good thing. The Republican base was sick of the elite influence and sought any alternative to the Republican establishment. This unfortunately led to Trump. The only other national face of the Tea Party was Palin, who is also problematic. You have real trouble finding a Tea Party these days that has not been eaten by the cult of Trump. That certainly does not lead to a “significant, systematic change and a more just society.”