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I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008
(06-29-2020, 10:36 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(06-29-2020, 10:14 AM)David Horn Wrote: If we look back at how the previous triggers were defused and responses arrayed against each other, it's not surprising that it took something straight forward and devastating as watching a man die in front of us to overcome the ability of the manipulators to manipulate, though the RW talking heads are still giving it their best. I think 2008 was the real trigger, and the replay we're in now is making that clear.  That said, I still have a hard time knowing where this goes beyond the 2020 election.  Dems are notorious for dropping the ball.

2008 was not the real trigger.  It did not make the new values, a regeneracy or the crisis heart nigh on inevitable.  Obama chose not to go after the Wall Street people, and lost the congress, thus the endless red - blue debate went on.

A catalyst, sure.  It shaped how everybody viewed the economy.  The trigger, no.

Like Mike, I use those terms interchangeably.  In any case, this is a perfect example of the use of perception management.  After the Uber Bankers and Czars of Wall Street managed to drive the economy into the ground, they got what they needed to rebound, then sold the public on the idea that the debt was too high and it was time to do less.  They've done the same this time.  So far, the economy seems not adequately important to trigger outrage.  That doesn't bode well for that problem being addressed in more than a perfunctory manner during this 4T.  Unfortunately, the other issues arise from the maldistribution of wealth, so they may be papered over as well.  If so, we may be back to viewing a failed 4T.  On the other hand, doing less for the average person this time may lead to catastrophic failure of the economy, with far to little money chasing goods and services.  

We'll have to see whether the Dems can actually deliver for a change.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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RE: I'm a sceptic that the 4th Turning started in 2008 - by David Horn - 06-29-2020, 11:42 AM

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