Let's make fun of Trump, bash him, etc. while we can!

[Eric the Green]

(11-11-2016, 03:30 PM)noway2 Wrote: For some time now, I have been coming to the conclusion that the fracture line that is growing in this country is largely urban versus rural, or it can generally be categorized into one with a high degree of correlation.  As I can only really speak for myself, I will present my view on this.  I currently live in and own a home in a city but I also own a sizable tract of rural  (actually it is planned as less than rural and classified as agricultural) property that i plan to move to.  Consequently, I believe that i have an understanding of both the rural and urban perspectives to some degree, though I lean towards the rural.

The hands down, number one reason I want to move out to the rural environment is to be left the hell alone.  I do not want people who live on a postage stamp passing rules and trying to stipulate regulations on what I do with my land.  I want to raise a large portion of my own food including vegetables and animals.  I want to be largely self sufficient.  I accept responsibility for myself and I don't want government hand outs. I am tired of being taxed to death because some urban population center holds a vote and then holds their hand out. 

Isn't it interesting that in fact it is the rural red states who get the most money back from federal taxes, and the urban blue states who pay the most. As playwrite pointed out, that's because the red state approach that you favor (trickle-down libertarian anti-taxes), does not work for the people there, and so they are far less wealthy and need more help. That's the fact as many stats posted on the old forum proved. I don't want to call you anything, but it's a fact that most people in those urban population centers who vote and hold their hands out, are people of color. And you don't want to be forced to pay to help them. I understand that. But in fact most of your taxes don't go to help them. They may go to entitlements that you pay for, for sure. And to our enormous military that Trump wants to "rebuild."

Quote:While I understand the systemic problems, including things like lack of affordable healthcare coverage, dwindling prospects for the "American dream", bleak retirement outlooks, etc, I do not accept the answer as being government forced wealth redistribution.  I didn't get a government hand out on my student loan.  I do not get a government subsidy on my housing.  I do not get a government break on my health care.  I have to work for those things and pay for them.  Similarly, I don't want a bunch of illegal immigrants coming to my country and leaching off the system by claiming a bazillion dependents on a fake SSN to avoid paying taxes and using the emergency room for their medical care at my expense.  Along those same lines my ancestors were not responsible for slavery and I don't owe the blacks one damned dime and see instead a group that needs to pull their pants up, learn to speak proper English and get a damned job instead of blocking the highway because they're pissed off.  I see these BLM riots and it looks like nothing but a bunch of animals that need to be put down and it is why when I left the house today I made sure my spouse had a Glock with several extra magazines and I left with an FN5-7 with sixty rounds and we both carry extra weapons. It is why I have well over a years supply of food and other essentials stored away while a large portion of the population of the city I live in can't feed themselves beyond 24 hours (A snow storm resulted in a line over a mile long to get into a McDonald's) as well as enough ammunition (and the ability to make more) to make a NY Liberal feint.  

Unfortunately, despite my desire to be left alone, what ends up happening is that some carpet bagger comes down here from a Yankee state and tries to vote in all the rules and regulations that they had in the little utopia they left to the net effect of destroying MY desired way of life.  I see the Clinton Criminal Crime Syndicate as being an extension of this big government bullshit and it is quickly getting to the point where "burn the MF'er down" as some of the rioters put it is starting to sound pretty good, especially if we're talking about the liberal strong holds.

I understand you don't think forced wealth distribution is the answer. But before we had forced wealth redistribution of the high income from CEOs who don't work, we had poverty, and most people could not live comfortably or without fear of poverty and death and had no hope. In the 20th century the people gained some power over the robber barons who had it all. Thank God we had a 20th century. Libertarian politics has the purpose of giving everything back to the robber barons, on the theory that this is government forced income distribution. And you guys always say, well "I didn't get a hand out." You have no conception that you might need one someday. That you have no power over this oligarchy and what it does to the people. And I see that you have indeed connected your libertarian economics with resentment of blacks and immigrants. You have demonstrated that Galen is wrong, as he always is. And that anyone who listens to him or discusses things with him as if he has something worthwhile to say, is just as wrong. You see, when people say "racist" about some folks, it has some truth to it. You just want to resent being called that, instead of looking at the man in the mirror and perhaps wondering if we don't all have some racism in us that keeps us apart and resenting each other. And you want lots of guns to "protect yourself" from unarmed black young people who get shot down for no reason in a nation where we have racist, fascist police who don't respect the right to life. Amazing. Sorry, deplorable is the only word to describe your views on this. Sickness in America that has reached truly epic proportions. Beyond anything we thought about when we used that term for America in the sixties. Truly, on life support.

Quote:Now, I am NOT a Republican.  In fact, I despise them and in many ways more than I despise the Democrats.  Unfortunately, "Pissed Off" isn't a registration option either. I see the problem as the oligarchy comprised of both parties that is selling out the jobs and replacing them with service sector dead ends while laughing all the way to the bank.  I see the QE ponzi scheme bleeding the citizens dry and benefiting those that already have too much.  I am socially very liberal in the things I support ranging from freedom to marry whomever you want (I think government should not have a say in marriage at all), what substances you want to put in your body, that abortion is a personal choice, etc.  I most closely represent the Libertarian ideals but unfortunately freedom and personal responsibility are never options on the ballot - just a choice of a shit sandwich or shit soup both courtesy of big government.  I see the government as illegitimate and I don't give a rats ass if "you voted" - I don't recognize it's authority.  I see government as the problem, not the solution.

You are completely wrong, and you have been deceived and brainwashed. The Republicans are the party that supports oligarchy in their every word and deed, not the Democrats who try to help the common people. Your ideal of no government shows how little you know or care about history. Libertarians are part of the pall that has been destroying this country since 1980. And you are succeeding beyond my wildest fears. Your new president is just another of your stooges.

Quote:So yes, I see civil war coming.  I see an economic collapse coming and I like the ant, preparing for it, unlike all the urban grasshoppers.  So you will just have to excuse me if I chose not to support the queen who failed in their attempt to steal a coronation, but even if she had won you wouldn't see me retreating to my "safe space" with my emotional comfort dog to have a sad before I go out and riot in the streets, because I would have to go to work in the morning.

Activists will need to get out and fight, and if necessary get jailed or shot. And of course you will blame them and fear them, and arm yourself against THEM, instead of the criminal government led and owned by the oligarchy that shot them.