06-02-2022, 02:30 PM
(06-02-2022, 02:02 PM)David Horn Wrote:(06-02-2022, 01:50 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:(05-26-2022, 07:25 AM)David Horn Wrote: We've tried the "common sense measures" route. Maybe it's time to go for the deep seats: repeal the 2nd Amendment! It seems as likely to pass as all the less-is-less measures we've already tried, but it has the benefit of being strong and definitive. Maybe that's where we need to be, instead of asking for crumbs from the table.
The 2nd Amendment is worth fighting for, worth killing for. After the 1st Amendment, is the most important piece of legislation in our nearly 250 year history. You will start a war if you do this, and respectfully sir, I will be enlisting on the other side...
Aren't you the guy who would refuse the draft because you don't wish to fight wars? A little cynical here, aren't you? But on to the 2nd ...
Read the 27 words. It's arguable whether it was intended to foster militias to "keep them darkies in line", as some say, or to provide security in areas without a constabulary. Either way, it's damn hard to see an individual right in there. Guns have little if any place in urban society and limited use in less populated areas. The 2nd is moribund, but, like a good zombie, it just keeps moving and taking lives.
And one final note: the vast majority wants weapons under control. If they are denied, THAT will trigger anarchy and even less rationality than we hav today.
This is one issue where I stop sounding Civic/Nomad and turn into the most fiery right wing boomer. The most fundamental principle upon which America was founded was the right to self-determination and self-defense: "give me liberty or give me death!". Sure, I'm not willing to fight a war over curbing my "liberty" to drive 160 miles an hour or going overseas to blow up 14 year old Asian kids in a communist country. It's important to do get over-dramatic and wage war based off of foreign or trivial disagreements, but I am absolutely willing to support one to defend something as fundamental as the core of self-defense.
Both guns and self-defense are a religion in America (and religions perfectly in line with Christianity. the 6th commandment is often mistranslated as "thou shalt not kill", when it is actually "thou shalt not murder"). From the war of Independence to Nat Turner's Rebellion, we believe in allowing, no, celebrating those willing to use lethal force against those who try to control them. So you want to make the "well regulated militia" argument. Guess what...[b]we have those[b]. Dozens and dozens of them. Sure, some of them are a little weird, but from the time of our existence, we have had entire communities laying in wait and storing up weapons in the event of a civil war, hostile totalitarian takeover or other serious declaration of war. Americans are willing to kill in order to avoid being controlled, and it is because of that that we're virtually the only country in the world which has never had a dictator. Trying to disarm the American people would be about as futile as trying to de-Islamize Saudi Arabia or trying to de-Catholicize Poland, and I would argue....it would be far more bloody than both put together.
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