02-27-2017, 07:30 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-27-2017, 07:31 PM by Ragnarök_62.)
(02-27-2017, 12:29 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: M&L wrote
Quote:I've seen a lot of this before. If it gels and becomes a cohesive force, then you had it right all along. To be honest, with an adversary like Trump, rallying the troops should be easy. But don't argue that change is already in the works, unless you have some real evidence that it is. Marches and rallies are good, but they accomplish nothing in and of themselves. All the real action to date is coming from the same global elite that have been running the show for decades. Perhaps that's the change you see. If so, we are in for very hard times.
Oh, yeah, what was old is new again.
SomeGuy wrote this:
And now we're back to this. You seem to forget that I am not a progressive, and I actually voted for Trump. You seem to be using the word "change" to mean only "progressive political reforms", which I don't think is actually the definition. Like I said before, lots of things are changing, they just don't seem to be changing in the direction you like. Brexit, Trump, possibly Le Pen here in a bit, the continued issues in the EU, widening war in the Middle East, climate change and all the rest, these are big changes. The post-WWII/particularly post-Cold War order is visibly cracking, and I am willing to bet it will very much be gone in another 10-15 years. What take its place remains to be seen, although thus far I very much doubt it is going to be the comfortable center-left changes you might like.
It's a mish mash. I'd love to see the EU crater and yeah, that post-Cold War neoliberal order [refined my preference here]. May Ragnarök be upon that stuff. Anyhow, I have to wait to see if there's a fire with the smoke, so to speak.
So, whadda think about a US VAT tax/Medicare start @ age 0 thing. To be honest the Republican party is a bunch of fuddy duddy pot poopers.
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