02-12-2018, 11:15 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2018, 11:20 PM by Eric the Green.)
(02-12-2018, 07:54 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(02-12-2018, 06:21 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: What I have predicted, is that the gun control measures that almost passed under Obama, will pass under a Democratic presidency in the 2020s, and that the bobc's of the world will likely revolt over this, and be defeated. But that would only lead to those rebels losing their weapons and probably their freedom or even their lives, and that gun control would survive, at least for a while; but the 2nd would not be affected by any of this.
I do not anticipate the red block going violent over closing loopholes or anything Obama proposed. Bobc and you are extreme partisans of opposite ilk, apt to anticipate the worst.
The Second is best read without the justification phrase. "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It is widely read that way in the red part of the country, academia, and is the Law of the Land. You could pull the rights of felons and the insane without trouble, and close loopholes, but you had best get comfortable with the intent of the founding fathers, no matter how different your values are from theirs.
Curiously, the Wild West was low violent crime before gun control and thus gun crime took off. You won't get the genie back in the bottle. However, what is silly and futile is an attempt at prohibition. I am no fan of the Congress trying to force the people away from something they want. Both the red and blue have made that mistake freely lately, trying to make the two cultures one by law. The result has been the see saw, handing power over to the other guys. I would like to think that this crises will see them stop, somehow. I'll admit I have seen nothing to make me assume either side will give up trying to change the other. Both sides are ever so sure that they are right.
One side is right, and it will need to win. 4Ts are not times when a crisis makes people stop fighting or competing for power. Regressive against progressive is what it has always been, and must be again. Gun control didn't create gun violence; you can't really turn fact and reality upside down to that extent. I know you do sometimes, but not to that extent please.
Show me one 4T in the anglo-american cycle (or maybe in any saeculum anywhere) in which there wasn't war. I have predicted since the 1970s the possibility of civil war in this era; no need to revise my prediction now, since that's where we're headed. My prediction of a quick war against a stupid rebellion is optimistic indeed, considering the record of 4Ts.
Red culture must give way. They ought to give up their gun obsession, their failure to regard the justification phrase, the many out-of-date aspects of the founders' values, and all that; and all their other destructive nonsense too. Regressive values and ways such as these do eventually give way; the arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. Royalty went away, slavery went away, Nazism went away. America needs to lead again instead of lag way behind. It will happen some day, but only so much can happen in one 4T.
Red culture and red ways are the bane of this country. I don't anticipate the worst. The worst is if the red side should win. I am not anticipating that yet. If the blue side wins, moderation and reason will prevail. Good sense and willingness to compromise is all on the blue side, and not at all on the red side. You know that just from our positions on this issue alone. You know which side is willing to compromise on even this most-deadly-dangerous, immoral and grim of issues, and which side isn't. You saw what bobc said. The red side is dreadfully sick, and that's putting it kindly.