10-06-2018, 02:54 AM
(10-05-2018, 11:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:Brainwashed? That's funny. A brainwashed left winger accusing me of being brainwashed is funny. First of all, I'm not a young Libertarian voter or a clueless anarchist of some sort that you became accustomed to tangling with on a regular basis. I'm a real life middle aged American who has paid lots of taxes. Right now, you are stupid for not being able to figure that out, stupid for not being able to accept that as being me and stupid for trying to convert me to socialism and for trying to convince me that socialism would be better for all of us than capitalism has been for most us. I'm telling you that the best you can hope for is a socialist system for blues and a capitalist system for reds with a national border existing between them and separate currencies.(10-05-2018, 09:37 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:(10-05-2018, 07:45 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(10-05-2018, 05:22 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:As revenues plummet, people become more concerned about the amount of taxes that they are legally obligated to pay. The best you can hope for is an amicable divorce/ split and a free ticket along with a guarantee of safe passage to where ever blue America end up.(10-05-2018, 10:08 AM)David Horn Wrote: As an American, I know that we've never been perfect as a country, but darker periods have always been overcome. That's the past, which, we are always warned, is not prologue. The 1950s were dark, in their way, but nothing like now. Other than the period just prior to the ACW, I can't think of a precedent. So we will either save our democracy or it will degrade into something more autocratic. It's up to us. No one is riding to the rescue.
For many, the 'rescue' might be unwelcome. Politics look much like those of the late 1850s, with Machiavellian power plays (including BK, and that does not mean Burger King) become the norm. If you think America polarized now, then think of what it will be like in the middle of November. We do not have a well-intentioned President (Buchanan) at his wits end trying to patch things together and failing. We have a President trying to establish a despotism or dictatorship that people might know only if they lived in such a place -- and not America. Trump could be worse than Buchanan in his effect upon the quality of politics.
An attempt to establish a tyranny, as by nullifying an election, would put an end to America and make America extremely unstable. Such could be the pretext for a military coup.
The best that I can hope for is that Americans tire of Trump and start showing such in elections. Maybe the Republican Party ends up going the way of the (Communist-dominated) Polish United Worker's Party (initials PZPR), losing its parliamentary seats in three stages in straddled elections. Maybe we find that farmers and ranchers who usually vote Republican out of concern for taxes will not be so concerned about taxes as their revenues plummet.
Amicable divorce? In view of the sadistic tendencies in one part of American culture, I expect it to be as nasty as the dissolution of Yugoslavia. There are some very Red areas in some Blue states and very Blue areas in some Red states.
The obsession which you reds, Classic Xer, have, is entirely due to brainwashing. Taxes were not a big concern until Reagan, Prop 13, etc., the sleepening that happened near the end of the last Awakening 2T. That's ALL it is. It's neo-liberalism, libertarian economics, supply side, whatever you call it; it is nothing but BULLSHIT. YOu are brainwashed into thinking you should not have to pay taxes, because government is the problem, taxes are theft, taxes are coercion, job creaters create jobs, yadda yadda yadda, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit. And it's is the main cause of all our problems today in the USA. And you Gen Xers grew up knowing nothing better than what the charming actor and his successors and followers have told you