Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[David Horn]

(12-12-2018, 12:39 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: As far as the caravan folks, are the bulk of them honest or are the bulk of them lying about the reason why they're coming here. BTW, I don't view people who try to lye their way in or those who sneak in as being honest people either. I don't view illegal immigrants who are living here illegally using illegal documents that were illegally obtained to make it seem like they are legal to be here as honest people. I agree, US troops don't have the right to shoot unarmed people for any reason they choose as you implied. I understand that young blues are taught to associate anyone who wears a uniform and carries a gun with fascism. I hope that you understand that the rest us weren't taught to view them the same way. We've been taught to view them a different way and taught to associate them with American law enforcement or American defense. It's one of those, "you don't understand or if you could just understand" differences that I actually do understand much better than you give me credit for understanding and probably accept as being one of the major differences that would have to be settled the old fashioned way with another civil war.

Let's start with the caravan, if that's even the right word for a group of unarmed poor people fleeing danger. Do they all have an asylum right? Probably not, though it's incredibly stupid of us not to try our best to address the problems they face back in their home countries. Having them come or not come is not an open question. They will come if it seems less scary than staying. After all, it's not a trivial journey. Could you walk 1000 miles?

Of those we call illegals, 40% are here legally, though they overstayed their visas. Many, if not most, are skilled tradesmen. "Legals" differ from "illegals" by virtue of H-1B visas, that are a giveaway to large companies, providing highly skilled engineers and other STEM-H professionals to those companies at below market rates. So it comes down to cui bono: who benefits. Arguably, the entire country benefits from immigrants arriving here. The3 real issue: how do we assure native Americans that they are not put at a disadvantage, and that's an entirely different discussion.

And please, give me a break on this hyper-patriotism that pervades the right. Most people in the military or first responders are just doing a job … one that tends to pay well and has good benefits. So do teachers, but they don't seem to get recognized for it. Carrying a gun into a dangerous situation is actually less scary than walking in unarmed.