Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Classic-Xer]

(12-16-2018, 08:19 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-15-2018, 10:07 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Dude, only a dumb or foolish or overly sympathetic or naive or completely  impoverished and worthless  nation would insist and allow its borders remain open to whoever wants to enter, any time they please and for whatever reason. As I'm mentioned before, we aren't the native American Indians who had no concept of the world at the time.

What is it with you folks on the right that you can't see any middle ground.  Worse, you insist that your opponents see it the same way.  Here's a hint: try nuance.  I assume you use that concept in the other parts of you life.  For example, if you ask a friend to attend a ballgame and he or she says no, that does not imply that your friend is no longer your friend.  If so, marriage is totally out of the question.

But back to the topic.  No one wants blindly open borders -- no one!  By the same token, we shouldn't want hermetically sealed borders either.  Everyone benefits by cultural and trade interactions with people from other countries.  Everyone gains.  That's clearly not the same as open borders, nor does it imply a willingness to roll over and play dead for the benefit of others.  If you want to see slavish boot licking and subservience, try the relationship we have with China.  Big Business wanted access at all costs, now they're whining that they had to give away all their intellectual property.  The solution was simple: demand trade deals that made that illegal and make them enforceable.  Oh yeah, we had one called TPP and the Trumpster pissed all over it.

Who is asking for hermetically sealed borders and complete isolation from the world? I'm not asking for that and I'm not expecting to see that either. I expect our borders will remain open for legal commerce and remain open for legal immigrants and visitors/travelers. Where's the common ground on the border wall issue which is pretty much a black (Yes) or white (No) issue/solution by itself?

Now, if Queen Nancy decides she wants to try and make an issue of it and see the government shut down over it, that's fine by me. I don't really want to see her elected as the Speaker of the House again. I don't really want to see her group of partisan blue crony's being placed back into primary positions of power again either. I'd like to see her and her partisan crony's politically eliminated or severely weakened and see their leadership ability brought into question right now. I'm sure Trump feels the same way. So, I'd hand the issue to her as the acting Speaker like he did with her and her irrelevant political side kick Chuck the other day during their meeting and I'd be willing to leave it at that for now with the clock ticking down to zero as well. BTW, the clock getting to zero ain't going to matter to me, the Republicans who will be staying or the ones leaving or his supporters or anyone smart enough to understand that border security is a necessity these days. . I'd hold firm and see what happens to their popularity and their ability to remain together as an American party for a few weeks or as many weeks as it takes for a group of blues and their leader to get the message from Democratic voters who didn't vote for them and American business supporters and so on. I say FUCK her, stand firm on your convictions and allow the government to shut down or accept her surrender and spare government employee's from going weeks without paychecks as Nancy and her political pals weigh out their options and feel the heat of Democratic unhappiness and anger over an issue that most Americans view as a no brainer after seeing and hearing about a few large caravans.

Here's the deal, what blues view as a none issues and tend to ignore and not cover or pay attention to at all seem to be issues that Americans are most concerned about these days. Why? I don't know for sure what their problem is but I'm sure whatever it is ain't good and isn't going to turn out very well for them either. The blues have a major value issue and a major issue with their value system and a major issue with their worldview.