12-17-2018, 08:57 PM
(12-17-2018, 06:28 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Well, to start, I did not claim to know judo. I did study karate in college, and kung fu as an adult, but no judo. Nor did I use or threaten to use martial arts ability to change a political view. That just isn't done, neither school would approve, nor is that typical blue behavior. Not to mention I am a handicapped old guy, way out of shape, in no way ready or inclined to take confrontations to a physical level. This is not really important. In other ways it represents how you misrepresent what other people stand for, and attack the false position using insult and obscenity.Bob, I'm not talking about you behind your back or spreading rumors about you behind you back or whining to moderators either. I called you a FUCKHEAD to your face and I told you the reason why I did it as well. I see that you didn't see or accept your own mistake and own up to it like a person with higher character would do. Well, I associate your lack of proper response with typical blue behavior. Judo is just another form of martial arts to me. I just used it as a way to remind you that you're not speaking to a stranger who doesn't know anything about you or anything about what you have written or about the positions that you have taken and the information that you've shared about yourself in the past.
It is typical of your behavior to lie to someone else face, to badly represent their views in doing so, to use obscenity and insult. Does this make you a bad person? Maybe. Define bad person.
Is this an anti American site? No. It should be a place where theories of history and politics are thrown around, and neutral to any red-blue bias. There ideally should be equal numbers of people who lean either way. It falls short of that ideal. In part, those that rationally argued the red position and respected the supposed neutrality have mostly left. All who are left on the red side are mostly fanatics, cannot be reasoned with. The others have left, mostly as they were unable to use reason to defend red positions. There are a good number of extremists of both stripes here who do not seem ready to tolerate people who disagree with their thought. Most of them cannot be reasoned with, budged off their extremism.
I do object to calling your view American, and other views not. Prejudice, for example, is a traditional part of American culture. So is the drive for equality, to treat all men as equal. In a similar way, most of the issues that divide America today have echoes on both sides in the American past. Global warming is an exception, if only because it is fairly new. Environmentalism only became an issue in the middle to late 20th century. But this is an echo of rural thought. It is harder to see high population density problems when you live in a low population density area. It is easy to value independent action and small government when living in an area where the government is mostly far away. This does not make pulling together and attacking large problems un American. We did it to excess in the tax and spend era. The tendency to attack large critical problems through government action was once typical, once made America great.
So I hear your calling reds American as lying.
I did call Trump as causing a flip flop. His behavior caused the blues to win half of congress. It will be much harder to impose the red world view on America. I still see an eventual blue triumph. The longer one leaves critical problems unseen and unsolved, the more it becomes inevitable that the majority of people will wish to solve the problems, will have to solve them. The reds won a minority victory taking advantage of the old slavery compromises. I anticipate America will be strong enough to survive. I anticipate an eventual backlash. The unravelling is a time of conservative stalemate, the crisis of radical change. The question is how eventual.
A question which will not be answered by misrepresenting the opposition, lying, and using obscenity.
What do you stand for? Do you stand for equality or do you just claim that you do? I don't know the answer but I'm sure I can come up with some more clever ways to test you further and find out. Or, are you willing to drop the term and never use it to your advantage again. Did you treat me as an equal or treat me as a lesser being? Well, if you were smart, you wouldn't treat me as a lesser being or snub me in any way because I'm able to hurt you and tarnish your image in many ways without using violence.