09-21-2018, 11:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-22-2018, 12:01 AM by Eric the Green.)
The circle ALWAYS works best, in my opinion. You have different positions, all of them related to their opposites and shading into each other. You have the essential polarities that define the landscape. The 5-sided diagram is pretty much just the same circle, with some more-specific labels on them that are too specific, and without the clarity and inter-relationships that the cross within the circle conveys. I guess I'm a circle chauvinist 
You put social democrats in the red quint-drant, is that a word, or what's the word? The same one as Marx and Stalin, who are not democrats, but tyrants. Traditionalist means little in itself; the definition of conservative is to uphold the people in power. Politics is about power, and who has it.
There's no clear right and left on your chart. The Nolan grid indicates that perfectly, so it's better. The political compass is the same idea, except that liberal and conservative are not located at the horizontal edges, but at the far edges of the lower left and upper right quadrants. Left and right are NOT outdated; they are more clear than ever. Liberal, or left, means power to the people. It means power to the widest group of people possible, including the rights of Nature. Right means hierarchy and class, power to the bosses, conceived as the superior people.
The right or Conservative side enables economic bosses to keep their power by curbing state intervention, and also supports those cultural and social values that keep in power those who want to hold certain groups in a superior place or discriminate against or keep away certain groups (cultural and social conservative, fewer rights for them, etc.), and regulation of supposed deviant behavior not in keeping with cultural authority (wars on drugs, porno, etc.). Those dominant groups could be nations, so cultural-conservative covers nationalism and militarism, but also religious hierarchies. The word "nationalism" is too specific and confusing. It was not long ago that communists and liberals were nationalists, because the nation was the locus of freedom and power for a group of people oppressed by colonial, capitalist and/or aristocratic/royalist imperialism. This is exactly what was not recognized by the Americans who created the American war against Vietnam.
At the left side of the Nolan chart are those who are liberal on both social and cultural issues and democratic rights, and liberal on economic issues recognizing that the state needs to curb the capricious power of the bosses and make sure there's opportunity for all. "Counter-cultural" doesn't really convey this political meaning. Not all political liberals are like rajneesh or new age hippies, by any means, and it's not only cultural freedom that they want, but freedom from the tyranny of the economic bosses. The left of the circle is thus both cultural and economic, not just cultural. Maybe I just don't like the label; "self-expression" doesn't really cover "bleeding hearts" for victims of oppression.
The top of the Nolan chart is libertarian; equal to the lower right on the political compass. Libertarians and libertarian-anarchists usually endorse greater democratic and social rights, rather than the superiority of ethnic or religious groups, and tend strongly to anti-militarism; but also endorse freedom of enterprise and laissez-faire, which in practice means an economy owned and run by the few who can compete and win in such a social-darwinian unregulated and un-taxed set-up. Your chart puts only the free market libertarians at the top. They belong on the right, not the center; unless they are also social/cultural and peace-movement liberals, in which case they are high-center. The near-opposite polarity between the economically libertarian social darwinists like Ayn Rand and the liberal democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders is not indicated on your chart, but that's still the most important polarity today. On the European-oriented political compass, economic left and right are clearly shown as "left and right" per se. A labor social democrat like Corbyn would be almost on-the-edge left, slightly below the horizon, while Ayn Rand would be at the right edge; maybe just a bit below also. I'm not sure how cultural liberal or democratic she was, but it seems libertarian economics was her prime focus at least.
The bottom of the Nolan chart (upper left on the political compass) is totalitarian or statist, and people who lean that way look to the state for solutions for economic equality, as well as for protecting the groups that they identify with and depend on for the sense of safety and self-esteem and regulation of behavior and morals. Nazis are in the far lower right and Communists are in the far lower left. The opposite of Stalin is not Ayn Rand, I don't think, because she leans further to the right, since her main priority is free enterprise.
You put social democrats in the red quint-drant, is that a word, or what's the word? The same one as Marx and Stalin, who are not democrats, but tyrants. Traditionalist means little in itself; the definition of conservative is to uphold the people in power. Politics is about power, and who has it.
There's no clear right and left on your chart. The Nolan grid indicates that perfectly, so it's better. The political compass is the same idea, except that liberal and conservative are not located at the horizontal edges, but at the far edges of the lower left and upper right quadrants. Left and right are NOT outdated; they are more clear than ever. Liberal, or left, means power to the people. It means power to the widest group of people possible, including the rights of Nature. Right means hierarchy and class, power to the bosses, conceived as the superior people.
The right or Conservative side enables economic bosses to keep their power by curbing state intervention, and also supports those cultural and social values that keep in power those who want to hold certain groups in a superior place or discriminate against or keep away certain groups (cultural and social conservative, fewer rights for them, etc.), and regulation of supposed deviant behavior not in keeping with cultural authority (wars on drugs, porno, etc.). Those dominant groups could be nations, so cultural-conservative covers nationalism and militarism, but also religious hierarchies. The word "nationalism" is too specific and confusing. It was not long ago that communists and liberals were nationalists, because the nation was the locus of freedom and power for a group of people oppressed by colonial, capitalist and/or aristocratic/royalist imperialism. This is exactly what was not recognized by the Americans who created the American war against Vietnam.
At the left side of the Nolan chart are those who are liberal on both social and cultural issues and democratic rights, and liberal on economic issues recognizing that the state needs to curb the capricious power of the bosses and make sure there's opportunity for all. "Counter-cultural" doesn't really convey this political meaning. Not all political liberals are like rajneesh or new age hippies, by any means, and it's not only cultural freedom that they want, but freedom from the tyranny of the economic bosses. The left of the circle is thus both cultural and economic, not just cultural. Maybe I just don't like the label; "self-expression" doesn't really cover "bleeding hearts" for victims of oppression.
The top of the Nolan chart is libertarian; equal to the lower right on the political compass. Libertarians and libertarian-anarchists usually endorse greater democratic and social rights, rather than the superiority of ethnic or religious groups, and tend strongly to anti-militarism; but also endorse freedom of enterprise and laissez-faire, which in practice means an economy owned and run by the few who can compete and win in such a social-darwinian unregulated and un-taxed set-up. Your chart puts only the free market libertarians at the top. They belong on the right, not the center; unless they are also social/cultural and peace-movement liberals, in which case they are high-center. The near-opposite polarity between the economically libertarian social darwinists like Ayn Rand and the liberal democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders is not indicated on your chart, but that's still the most important polarity today. On the European-oriented political compass, economic left and right are clearly shown as "left and right" per se. A labor social democrat like Corbyn would be almost on-the-edge left, slightly below the horizon, while Ayn Rand would be at the right edge; maybe just a bit below also. I'm not sure how cultural liberal or democratic she was, but it seems libertarian economics was her prime focus at least.
The bottom of the Nolan chart (upper left on the political compass) is totalitarian or statist, and people who lean that way look to the state for solutions for economic equality, as well as for protecting the groups that they identify with and depend on for the sense of safety and self-esteem and regulation of behavior and morals. Nazis are in the far lower right and Communists are in the far lower left. The opposite of Stalin is not Ayn Rand, I don't think, because she leans further to the right, since her main priority is free enterprise.