11-14-2018, 01:22 PM
(11-14-2018, 12:55 PM)Bill the Piper Wrote:(11-14-2018, 10:55 AM)Hintergrund Wrote: Many Traditionalists are Nationalists and vice versa. Why don't you lump them together?
Not all, though.
Thomas Aquinas, the ultimate Catholic traditionalist, supported an universal Christendom. In general ethnic identity was suppressed in medieval Catholic culture. The same for the Islamists. They hate nationalism.
On the other hand, many nationalists are social Darwinists who oppose "outmoded religious superstitions". For example Satan Hussein wasn't exactly fond of shariah. His wives didn't wear any hair covering. What sort of traditionalism is that?
People who are both Black and Blue are on the cusp of both sectors, you can call them Identitarians.
Yes. Osama bin Laden was clearly independent of any national entity. He was certainly opposed to non-Muslim Arabs as he was to non-Arab non-Muslims. One can be a nationalist and a communist. Hitler was delighted to seize Jewish properties, something incompatible with true free-marketers. One Nazi offshoot, Strasserism, insists upon a socialist revolution as well as a national revolution. Red-blue syntheses are possible; Castro was an arch-conservative on family law.
It is impossible to have fusions along the edges except among adjacent tendencies. What could an extreme counter-culture type ever have in common with a nationalist or a traditionalist? Nothing. A counter-culture (purple) can be markedly socialist (share the wealth, man!) or can believe that free enterprise is the sole possible economic vehicle to achievement of personhood (I would guess that many of our high-tech people are there). It is possible to fuse extreme values of capitalism (yellow) with either traditionalism (black) or a counter-culture tendency (purple); maybe the respect for free enterprise goes even to assignment of rights in people as serfs or slaves. The extreme-end yellow-black fusion would be a brutal slave-owning planter (a fictional character like Simon Legree fits there) or feudal lord. Such is largely discredited. Traditionalists can never be socialists or counter-culture people. Nationalists sacrifice the economic freedom of people not in 'their' national community and have no tolerance for any cultural dissidence.
On others -- someone like Falwell was close enough to establishment attitudes on economic organization (aside from pornography, prostitution, abortion, and probably liquor) and trusted the democratic process to go his way, believing that a devoutly-Christian America would accede to his world view. But we are approaching the center, where rule of law prevails and despotism is an abomination.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.